00:22:18 <WG9s_> that is how if you go to https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/ and click on latest-253 or latest-257 you end up at the right place
06:59:18 <NewTobinParadigm> hi frg_Away
06:59:41 <frg_Away> NewToBinParadigm hi
07:00:07 <NewTobinParadigm> care to see the nearly done mock up of the BinOC Site redesign?
07:00:41 <NewTobinParadigm> keeping in mind this is only a smidgen away from finished AND is only showing purely text content
07:01:06 <frg_Away> at work now can take a look
07:01:37 <NewTobinParadigm> i noticed it to you
07:03:03 <frg_Away> look good clean and readable
07:03:33 <NewTobinParadigm> i need to impliment bug 1440014 and followups so i can make the underline style not shitty for links
07:03:49 <NewTobinParadigm> something that ain't on Moonzilla's radar ;)
07:04:48 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: I was gonna do a radical redesign but i decided to stick with basically the same layout just get rid of the aero-like shit and make it so it wasn't black text on a white or off-white background but also maintain some personality
07:05:35 <NewTobinParadigm> with my new software I am writing to drive my main site i will be able to offer a unified approch to projects, add-ons, blog post shit, and dev docs
07:05:42 <NewTobinParadigm> and it will use that layout
07:05:51 <NewTobinParadigm> tho the command bar and sidebar will be contextual
07:06:54 <NewTobinParadigm> i didn't want it to be all flat either tho or bland
07:07:18 <NewTobinParadigm> it has JUST enough gradient power to stay visually interesting even though it doesn't have the BinOC Strands background
07:07:35 <frg_Away> flat is evil :) uninspiering and boring too
07:07:49 <NewTobinParadigm> that page background?
07:07:58 <NewTobinParadigm> i didn't come up with it my self unfortently
07:08:01 <NewTobinParadigm> i recreated it
07:08:08 <NewTobinParadigm> the gradient
07:08:27 <NewTobinParadigm> from a pre-omega 13 longhorn build
07:08:36 <NewTobinParadigm> but it is very close to what I was gonna put there before
07:08:45 <NewTobinParadigm> i just couldn't get the colors right
07:08:56 <NewTobinParadigm> was more saturated
07:08:57 <NewTobinParadigm> but yeah
07:09:03 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: thanks for your opinion
07:09:06 <NewTobinParadigm> it helps
07:09:22 <NewTobinParadigm> I don't have as many people to poll as i used to :P
07:11:46 <frg_Away> have a new job and not much time lately.
07:11:55 <frg_Away> was to be expected.
07:12:02 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: how's that working out for you?
07:13:29 <NewTobinParadigm> btw
07:13:31 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/53926d7fbf4232cdef0449b5b515404085fea3f1
07:14:45 <frg_Away> 50/50 good and bad. good to be working again in a real team and bad for "hobbies" With IanN aslo in a job too much "less" for SeaMonkey
07:15:20 <frg_Away> need to see what I can do about it when i get a better grip on the new job
07:16:15 <NewTobinParadigm> also this is a patch that might be nice in seamonkey https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/df5aca3bde8c1baddae207bc3e89d196451d8747
07:16:52 <NewTobinParadigm> nothing interesting just eliminates a semi-popular add-on by something users have been asking for in the client for years
07:18:50 <frg_Away> need to check if this is still in the code. Might be better suited for the clear private data
07:19:43 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: Normally I would agree but needing to restart after would be an issue and people might want to clear em as a matter of course while not having to check and uncheck shit in the sanitize dialog
07:19:57 <NewTobinParadigm> and yes you still have it
07:20:14 <NewTobinParadigm> least in 56-turning-60
07:20:15 <NewTobinParadigm> :P
07:20:58 <NewTobinParadigm> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ident?i=nsIFaviconService&strict=1
07:21:17 <NewTobinParadigm> indeed.. http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ident?i=nsIFaviconService&tree=mozilla-central&filter=&strict=1
07:21:21 <NewTobinParadigm> has it still
07:22:44 <frg_Away> Some of the stuff will go because part of the old sync bookmarks api. Just didnt have the time yet to do it. Will take a look after work. Need to remind me :)
07:23:03 <NewTobinParadigm> oh weave?
07:24:23 <NewTobinParadigm> I had moved the weave ui and merged it with the weave backend in GRE intending to allow anything to easily hook in and use weave sync but well.. that ain't happening and I don't have the resources nor userbase to justify it nor do I ever intend on having a mobile client
07:24:39 <NewTobinParadigm> and i damn sure couldn't use fxa even if i wanted to
07:24:49 <NewTobinParadigm> I also can't use Pale Moon's weave server even if i wanted to
07:24:50 <NewTobinParadigm> now
07:25:04 <NewTobinParadigm> same reason.. unauthorized clients are forbidden without express permission
07:25:42 <NewTobinParadigm> even I with my nearly one man team and 2 virtual private servers have limits
07:25:48 <NewTobinParadigm> ;)
07:26:24 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: if SeaMonkey could fund a weave server I could get the fucker working again on 56-going-on-60
07:26:31 <NewTobinParadigm> wouldn't be that hard actually
07:27:58 <NewTobinParadigm> there is a php weave server impl as well the only sticking point is the keyserver which without some python nerd is stuck.. the php weave server i can fix for php 8x with some use testing no problem.. tho removing the keyserver and easy setup would be much.. uhh easier!
07:28:18 <frg_Away> server is ewong, funding IanN_Away. I would support a vote
07:28:33 <NewTobinParadigm> too bad Moonchild threw away the only asshole he had that did php.. guess he will be on 7.3 forever
07:29:41 <NewTobinParadigm> it will have to be a bare metal server cause even on kvm the disk io is enormous
07:29:44 <NewTobinParadigm> as is storage
07:29:58 <NewTobinParadigm> you can get by on a vps for a time
07:30:05 <NewTobinParadigm> but eventually...
07:30:36 <frg_Away> poobably needs the new fx accounts stuff gone from the source and back to 1.1
07:30:51 <NewTobinParadigm> yeah complete replace
07:31:49 <NewTobinParadigm> well you talk aboot it.. if you do decide to invest in it.. i am sure i can get the weave php up to snuff and transfer the weave client from GRE/ARE to your 56 tho after that you will have to port it to your later codebases
07:32:47 <NewTobinParadigm> then I will leech of YOUR weave server LOL
07:32:51 <NewTobinParadigm> maybe
07:32:58 <NewTobinParadigm> if i can be bothered and you let me lol
07:33:41 <NewTobinParadigm> does Thunderbird's AMO still know how to do add-ons sync to weave 1.1?
07:34:00 <NewTobinParadigm> another question to sort out unless that isn't important to you
07:34:20 <NewTobinParadigm> but still.. totally doable
07:34:22 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away
07:35:10 <NewTobinParadigm> damn it.. i need sleep
07:35:14 <NewTobinParadigm> but I am creative..
07:35:17 <NewTobinParadigm> DAMN IT!
07:35:22 <NewTobinParadigm> anyway good night frg_Away
07:35:44 <frg_Away> nn
10:38:11 <Harzilein> hi
10:38:17 <Harzilein> *sigh*: https://github.com/mdn/content/issues/16240
10:40:59 <frg_Away> Harzilein. They basically destroyed it
10:43:33 <Harzilein> so, i happen to have an ff 52.9.1 and the json data in the hidden input field in about:sessionrestore...
10:44:12 <Harzilein> and i was hoping to find some kind of schema for that. i understand it might be supposed to be opaque.
10:57:21 <Harzilein> hmm... i also understand now - i think - that seamonkey and ff may not have shared implementation details like that for a longer while
10:59:00 <Harzilein> looking at https://github.com/mdn/archived-content/blob/main/files/en-us/archive/add-ons/session_store_api/raw.html (and that's supposedly already quite a high level view)
11:18:44 <frg_Away> Harzilein The SM sessionrestore ineeds some updates. Works but outdated. If I ever find the time...
11:19:26 <IanN_Away> frg_Away: sessionrestore stuff is on my list...
11:21:16 <frg_Away> IanN_Away which is probably as long as mine :)
11:21:47 <IanN_Away> frg_Away: too far to see the end...
11:23:08 <Harzilein> wonder how much pulling of hair would go into setting up my own instance of whatever would render those html wiki pages.
11:23:45 <Harzilein> or i think the wiki that was contemporary to that is yet another thing
11:25:23 <frg_Away> I think older copies are already floating around
11:26:09 <Harzilein> yeah, but the top hits on google obviously are after the cheap seo juice and already have set up the ads to make use of it.
11:56:26 <Harzilein> ah, nvm, i found the off-brand version instead, which is still strictly prefered to the ad swamps :)
11:56:33 <Harzilein> preferred*
14:44:20 <therube> has anyone done an Oath2 for Eudora ;-)
15:06:22 <Harzilein> sorry if i'm hogging this with technology sm had to move past btw, is there some "vendor neutral" (!= universal ;) channel i could use for my xpcom questions?
15:08:31 <Harzilein> i'm looking at the prose just under the fourth code snippet on /docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Language_Bindings/Components.classes
15:11:45 <Harzilein> does that mean that while it's not exemplified there a second time, initially calling the other method with an empty argument list and performing explicit QueryInterface on that is just as valid?
15:13:24 <Harzilein> i basically want to know how far i can get with just introspection for finding the sessionstore handles i need
15:14:14 <Harzilein> (i understand the caveat in the last two paragraphs, mind)
15:18:09 <Harzilein> returning to /docs/Archive/Mozilla/Modularization_Techniques in the meantime