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njsg
CloudFlare might be doing a lot to promote their brand, it seems.
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njsg
And, to be fair, I feel that article is not complete enough when it only suggests that people leave Firefox, I can imagine people ditching some sites too. Or, if CloudFlare keeps screwing things frequently, websites themselves dropping CloudFlare...
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njsg
things aren't looking that bright when their community forum antagonizes people who report issues and their support is apparently not informing customers of such changes.
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frg_Away
njsg most of the product community forums are just there so that a company can save on support... Lip service. In the case of cloudflare what I see is exacty this. Paying customers can report problems via a different channel and the masses get a support illusion and some people/moderators who think they are the cream of the computing elite.
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tomman
HN comments in particular are beyond pathetic:
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31459258
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frg_Away
status meeting in 25 minutes if IanN_Away makes it in time:
wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-22
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frg_Away
status meeting in 15 minutes if IanN_Away makes it in time:
wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-22
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frg_Away
status meeting in 10 minutes if IanN_Away makes it in time:
wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-22
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WG9s
Hi all here for the meeting
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WaltS48
Me too! Hi!
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frg_Away
host is still missing. He wasn't sure if he would make it in time.
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frg_Away
Hi ew_x WaltS48
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ew_x
hi frg_Away
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ew_x
:P
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WaltS48
I'll continue working on my jigsaw puzzle on ny phone.
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frg_Away
status meeting in 5 minutes if IanN_Away makes it in time:
wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-22
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frg_Away
3
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ew_x
2... 1?
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frg_Away
too easy
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ew_x
ermm. what happened to my othter log in?
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frg_Away
ew_x how is life?
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ew_x
frg_Away: somewhat surviving.. and you? how's work?
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frg_Away
ew_x did go it seems. You mail still down?
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frg_Away
ew_x busy and ok. But time machine 12 years back and not all in a good way.
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frg_Away
1
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ew_x
frg_Away: Ohhh... damn.. I think my remote system has gone down.. will need to check tomorrow.. mail will be down until tomorrow. sorry
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frg_Away
ew_x has been for some time
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frg_Away
unless it was up for a time
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ew_x
oh <insert expletive>
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WG9s
OK stopped the live f1 tv in anticipation of this meeting can watch it on my DVR after
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WaltS48
Oh, forgot about that.
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frg_Away
Meeting time but master of desaster is still missing. Should I take over as moderator and we do a short session?
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ew_x
I'm guessing tomorrow's going to be a h eadache... all systems are down ..
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frg_Away
ew_x maybe they go the flu :)
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frg_Away
Missing rsx11m. Did he mention that he couldn't make it?
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frg_Away
Hi IanN
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IanN
hi
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ew_x
IanN Good day!
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frg_Away
was about to start but now it is your honour.
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ew_x
hi rsx11m
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WG9s
frg_Away: I thought Clarence Clemons was the mast of disaster (among other names Bruce Springsteen gave him)
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frg_Away
Hi rsx11m
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ew_x
frg_Away: can't stay long.
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rsx11m
sorry, few minutes late...
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njsg
hi .*
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IanN
hi rsx11m
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rsx11m
hi ew_x !
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WG9s
hi Ian
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frg_Away
well lets start I do the notes
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rsx11m
hi IanN frg_Away WG9s
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WG9s
hi IanN
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ew_x
hi WG9s
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IanN
Who's taking minutes?
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frg_Away
Nominate njsg for tracking down the clownflare issue and ifinding an initial fix.
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frg_Away
Me
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IanN
Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank
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IanN
thanks
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ew_x
+1
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IanN
Action Items
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frg_Away
Nothing new here
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ew_x
ditto... haven't actually done anything lately (my apologies).. work and life has been throwing me curve balls..
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
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WG9s
I fixed an issue in my build automations, but not anything anyone else would be interested in.
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frg_Away
Nothing new. VS2022 is broken as a compiler now. 17.2 throws an ICE. VS2019 is still find and didn't plan to switch the builder anyway.
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frg_Away
Lets see how long it takes MS to fix it.
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frg_Away
^VS2019 is still fine
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WG9s
Might take longer because the FIrfoxe folks might not complain because i believe the have switched to using clang
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WG9s
sso would depend on if it is a compiler or header file issue
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frg_Away
In a libangle header still the same in master but might be dependent on compiler switches and other things.
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IanN
yes, may take a while
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
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frg_Away
All building 2.53 got some more python 3 fixes but not there yet.
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IanN
that's good :)
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IanN
Release Train
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frg_Away
I have about 50 more from Myckel and me but this breaks Linux builds :(
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IanN
so something is missing?
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frg_Away
Started 2.53.13b1 release work. Wanted to get the regexp in but not there yet. So basically 2.53.13b1 pre with more sec fixes I think.
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» WG9s thinks maybe we should convert Myckel to suing Linux! ;-)
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frg_Away
IanN maybe. The build system is a mess. Only the current central level is worse :D
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WG9s
using not suing
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frg_Away
Usually Windows breaks but this time Linux complains about non unicode strings.
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frg_Away
WG9s he does
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frg_Away
I don't and did add fixes for Windows and prerequsites. And now bang...
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frg_Away
I probably need to get a 70 source package and compare against it.
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IanN
:S
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WG9s
well my experience is any unicode strings after the hg commit message need to be left as is and should only redo them in antything in the patdh beofre the start of the first diff
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IanN
Extensions Tracking
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frg_Away
WG9s this is not the headers but the mach configure. Seems to write some non unicode strings.
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WG9s
anything actuallhy in a diff is probably using a unicode string on purpose
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WG9s
OH so mach configure is writing unicode strings that then fail during mach vbuild?
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frg_Away
Nothing new. DTA 3.0.9.2 is still broken in 2.53.13b1 pre but Dirk is on it.
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frg_Away
WG)s yes the PATH issue you ran into some time ago.
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WG9s
so non0ascii characters in the PATH?
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IanN
no new versions of extensions
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WG9s
that was supposed to say non-ascii
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frg_Away
WG)s hard to say. Probably missing some stuff in the build system.
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ew_x
IanN, frg_Away sorry... need to call it a day..
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IanN
2.Next, Feature List & Planning
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IanN
ew_x: take care
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frg_Away
ew_x all good.
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rsx11m
cu ew_x
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ew_x
IanN, frg_Away, rsx11m , WG9s 'night have a good one.
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frg_Away
Not much time currently as stated. Need to find my way "into" the new job.
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rsx11m
makes sense ... that's life
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IanN
yes, real life comes first
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» WG9s remebers when he was trying to find his way out of his old job wanted to reitre way earlier than he did.
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frg_Away
WG9s well I did more or less retire for a year but need some real people around. You all don't count :)
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frg_Away
Just sad that SM takes a hit because of it.
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WG9s
but was kind of they would not give me a retirement package that everyone else got. eventually my direct boss took a disliking to me so I ended up getting fired with the package they refused ealrier to give me if i retired.
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rsx11m
funny how these things work 8-)
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WG9s
toio prevent a wringful termination lawsuit.\
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IanN
AOB?
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frg_Away
Well the bank I now work for is seriously understaffed in IT but that is a different story. And still using z/OS for some systems so it is time machine time.
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frg_Away
rsx11m you got the link in the meeting list wrong. Pointed to the old one and I didn't notice first. No other AOB :)
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rsx11m
grr, too much in a hurry again :-/
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frg_Away
Just in case someone wonders about the undos in the 05/08 meeting.
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IanN
next meeting in 2 weeks time
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IanN
same bat channel, same bat time
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IanN
thank you everyone for your time today
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WG9s
Iisn;t that backswards?
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WG9s
I thought it was same bat time same bat channel
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rsx11m
it's like the "+" and "*" operators in math ;-)
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frg_Away
A difference which makes no difference is no difference at all.
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IanN
not sure which way
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IanN
just add lots of brackets
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» rsx11m needs a new brain
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frg_Away
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vord[m]
Is this a problem for seamonkey? Does seamonkey have many distinct XBL bindings that would need to be replaced to get it onto a newer gecko?
bugzilla.mozilla.org/1566221
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» frg_Away now watches rsx11m
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WG9s
For those of you who don't get it.. Batman was the first US tv show to be on on 2 consecutive nights on the same netork same time with 2 part episodes so at the end of the first night was always. "For the excitinng conclusion, tune in tomorrow, same bat time same bat channel"
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frg_Away
vord[m] yes and overlays need to go too. And a 100 dumbed down other things like full themes.
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rsx11m
certainly perfect for double-episodes!
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frg_Away
I love many of the cliff hangers :)
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rsx11m
don't look down ;-)
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» frg_Away arghhhhh...... plonk
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vord[m]
Truly remarkable, im surprised it only took 3 years to entirely kill xbl
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vord[m]
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rsx11m
8-) bye now!
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njsg
cliffhangers were perhaps especially interesting in Tex Avery shows
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frg_Away
Oh didn't clear away status. Silly me. Now away and still here
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IanN
anyway, i'll call that a meeting :)
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frg_Away
yes see you next time