01:49:20 <tomman> oh, are we ranting against HTTPS?
01:49:43 <tomman> let me introduce the "I live in a commie hellhole", and "HTTPS won't help me because the 99% still uses Facebook"
01:50:13 <tomman> but yeah, OAuth is garbage
01:50:29 <tomman> you'll pry out my passwords from my cold dead fingers~
01:51:12 <tomman> (don't get me started with 2FA; I'm a dinosaur)
02:47:16 <CaptainTobin> double your plesure double your fun with double mint authentication
02:47:19 <CaptainTobin> i guess tomman
02:48:10 <tomman> reminds me of this: http://n-gate.com/software/2017/07/12/0/
02:55:25 <tomman> also: reminder that if you buy any random KaiOS phone right now, chances are you can't visit anything using Let's Encrypt (that is, half the Internet... including a few banks!) because of an expired DST Root X3 cert
02:58:31 <tomman> the only fix is to root the phone (because of course your OEM won't be releasing an update anytime soon), if you can (a few handsets are not rootable yet), and then using NSS stuff to manually inject the new roots into phone's cert9.db
02:59:05 <tomman> yes, I've met banks using Let's Encrypt, including a couple of government-owned ones here
02:59:23 <CaptainTobin> Let's Encrypt is a cancer
02:59:36 <CaptainTobin> it basically makes certs worthless
02:59:41 <CaptainTobin> and if it is worthless and everywhere
02:59:45 <CaptainTobin> what is the fuckin point
03:00:00 <CaptainTobin> getting a cert is supposed to MEAN something
03:00:44 <CaptainTobin> and if you use a proxy then your are paying for literal man in the middle bullshit that could be abused at any time
03:01:06 <CaptainTobin> assuming half the VPN services already aren't 24/7 honeypots anyway like tor exit nodes
03:02:41 <CaptainTobin> so worthless certs that anyone can get .. eroding legit CAs and automating everything .. and Google being or becoming a CA .. oh and d'oh .. it all literally breaks how the internet works and makes it antithetical to what it was intended to be.. side from a military comm network
03:02:44 <CaptainTobin> that is
03:02:46 <tomman> also, not everybody can afford a VPN
03:03:49 <CaptainTobin> tomman: so what you are saying is that they are racist and sexist as well as transphobic because you have to pay for them and not everyone has money expecially minorities, women, and alphabet soup+
03:04:06 <CaptainTobin> I SO want that to be spread!
03:04:28 <tomman> and yet noone cares about people like me that live in actual communist countries mostly barred from the global economy
03:05:02 <tomman> so even if I could afford it, there is (almost) no legal way to give money to a VPN for anyone in Soviet Venezuela
03:05:06 <CaptainTobin> because communism can't happen in america.. there is no communist plots here.. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and 3/4ths of Fox News said so
03:05:35 <CaptainTobin> we are devided simply by racists sexist transphobic nazi white supremesists
03:05:37 <tomman> (and yet Netflix is popular here... go figure)
03:05:38 <CaptainTobin> didn't you know
03:06:19 <CaptainTobin> I liked Netflix when I could get shit on DVD or when streaming they had shows I liked and also a great selection of docus that were interesting and informative
03:06:33 <CaptainTobin> now it is just woke politics and pedophilla
03:06:52 <tomman> I'm glad I wiped TV out of my life, also I don't do streaming services unless I can pipe them to an actual media player (say: VLC, mpv)
03:07:24 <tomman> of course DRM means they won't be getting a cent off my pockets (assuming I could somehow get an international CC, which are unobtanium here)
03:08:05 <tomman> I prefer to read, thanks
03:08:30 <tomman> sadly, kids these days hate reading, and half of Internet these days are YT videos of content that should be blogposts instead
03:08:31 <CaptainTobin> DRM .. like how widevine is the only DRM that anyone can impliment in their apps and devices with a license from google who won't even respond to you except if you have widevine already there
03:08:43 <CaptainTobin> oauth2 .. is DRM
03:09:00 <CaptainTobin> That's IT!
03:09:05 <CaptainTobin> OAUTH2 IS DRM
03:09:08 <CaptainTobin> LITERAL DRM
03:09:19 <CaptainTobin> there you go
03:09:20 <tomman> nothing triggers me more than looking for, say, a tutorial/howto/whatever, and the ONE AND ONLY RESULT... is a YT video
03:09:42 <tomman> no, I'm not watching videos, thanks
03:10:01 <tomman> once again, I'm a dinosaur
03:10:19 <CaptainTobin> I only watch youtube videos from a few creators and that's it.. the rest of the stuff is on my hard drive and i have had it for years
03:10:58 <CaptainTobin> and hell that number of creators has diminished to ONLY a few because the content turned to shit
03:11:02 <tomman> I've watched exactly ONE YT video this year
03:11:26 <tomman> (a PV for some Touhou arrange, and I'm surprised Japanese creators actually use YT rather than Nico Nico Douga these days)
03:11:27 <CaptainTobin> clickbate adderal takers are the only valid demographic don't you know
03:11:35 <CaptainTobin> bait*
03:11:44 <tomman> I don't watch whatever people call these days "youtubers"
03:12:05 <tomman> also: Flashblock is a godsend, especially after the death of Flash
03:12:57 <tomman> (it can also block HTML5 video, which is awesome, and I'm sticking to my modded version 'till the cold death of the universe... or until my DSL dies again, whatever happens first)
03:13:56 <CaptainTobin> so I will check server preferences if they have gmail or google in them, send up a prompt, if ok then set pref, open system browser to release notes explaining, if cancel prompt next startup
03:14:03 <CaptainTobin> scheduled release no oauth2
03:14:13 <CaptainTobin> i already have it ifdef'd in mailnews core
03:14:47 <CaptainTobin> simple as that
03:15:11 <CaptainTobin> why am i waiting till tomorrow.. because i ran out of time today deciding what form the notification will take
03:15:35 <CaptainTobin> from a full xul window to alert box to prompt dialog
04:17:42 <Valeria22> tomman: The selection of active forums for general discussion of any topic is a mixed bag. Either you have large and active ones that themselves are a mixed bag, or small and dead ones. There are only a small handful of medium sized one with quality discussions.
04:18:17 <Valeria22> Sadly social media ruined my generation's attention span :/
08:11:52 <njsg> tomman: "one and only result"? how do you do that? :-)
08:12:10 * njsg is tired of google returning a pile of clearly unrelated stuff
08:12:24 <njsg> funnily, I think sometimes I do get "one and only result". Not often, though.
10:04:12 <Guest1345> hi i am testing ChatZilla from a Puppylinux seamonkey 2.53
21:04:53 <alexmartsinkovsk> Hi, I have run into a problem: the html file looks ok in SeaMonkey and it looks good when drag drop the file on Safari. But when I upload the file to the server and access it with Safari one of the picture does not show. I tried jpg, jpeg, png with the same result. Besides Safari I also tried Chrome and Firefox - same result.