frg if you find a solution to the cloudflare denying browsers that aren't chrome chrome chrome chrome chrome apple or wokezilla please let me know

Well from what I can tell.. depending on factors if it is JUST UA which it ain't.. 74.0.1 loops.. 75.0 gets through

well forget that .. it works now

ugh

Status meeting in 30 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-08

Status meeting in 8 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-08

hi all

hi njsg

after meeting is over I will work on the sdk v ersion test stuff only the very first bug is a bit needs manual stuff the rest of them I thinkk should be no issue.

I was trying to do this yesterday but got bogged down in something else and then was about time for my normal automated build so I gave up and put it off till today

hi rsx11m

hi IanN

Meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-08

Hi rsx11m

hi frg

Who's taking minutes?

hi all here for the meeting

hi WG9s and WG9s_

me

thanks frg

Hi njsg

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

mcsmurf and RickieES for SeaMonkey e.V. work

Hi wyatt8740

seconded

I also think we need a special award for frg. He always volunteers to do the minutes.

seconded ^

WG9s: a special writing implement?

Well ratty always did it and I thought I would help him a bit. See what it got me :)

Action Items

too much action nothing new from me

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

Updated the Windows builder to latest VS2019 for the 2.53.12 release. Had some compiler fixes I wanted.

(and nothing broke)

Hope not. Using it already since day 1 (the compiler)

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

All building I think. Pushed a few build fixes from WG9s to central lately.

Bogged down with build stuff in 2.53 python 3 compatibility together with Myckel.

Release Train

2.53.12 b1 and 2.53.12 final were both released

Nothing reported against the beta so we did a fast release. l10n and a few sec fixes for the release only.

2.53.13b1 will have some new stuff so thinking a fast beta would be fine. Optional chaining helps with lots of sites.

a reecnt patch on 2.53 changed the macOS SDK requirement from 10.11 to 10.12. I am working on backporting the code from central to check the SDK version to make sure it meets minimum requirements., I expect to have that landed today.

currently if you use 10.11 it fails with a stupid error the intent is to fail eralier saying your SDK is too old and you need at least 10.12

thanks

Extensions Tracking

github-wc-polyfill is now on 1.2.19

As stated already 2.53.13 might break some old ones. legacy generators iterators and array comprehension is gone. Need to check the addon-sdk too which still has some references. I would love to kick this one but this would break even more so lets see what goes.

Wasn't an easy decision but the parser rebases "killed" me.

2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable

Nothing new from me. bau

ditto for me

I think I already said what I am working on

i'm starting to look at contentPrefs2

vbut I thought applied to people trying to build macOS form source

Oh wait I also need to get back on getting my irc logbot working

because it will have a legit cert

IanN best to skip it :) Would break the add-on world.

frg: it's already broken my brain :P

IanN missing so much stuff. If the old prefs are removed data manager would need to go to the database directly. Can co exists but the last time I looked not much value in it. ymmv

One of the blockers for 2.57.

frg: plenty of other things for me to look at

yes but seems like not needed for 2.53 and will just break thinks in 2.53

so a thing to look at for 2.57 but not before

yepp, skip it for 2.53 then, apparently

AOB

Like js downloads one of the things reimplemented to just fill the "limited" needs of Firefox.

I should be available for the next meeting if traffic behaves

Working again and so not much good during the week currently. Will see how it pans out.

so i 2 weeks then?

in 2 weeks

yes, 2 weeks time

same bat channel, same bat time

thanks for everyone's time today

jo

dto

oh btw on meeting time if anyone is still having issues becuase of different DST/summertime dates. I have the meeting in google calendar as bing at 3PM London local time

(which I refer to as IanN standard time)

pto

I still have somewhere a draft with tables with more details for the meeting times, I could finally try to upload that to the wiki

there is a link to timeanddate.com, which shows you the meeting time in your local time zone directly (plus a table)

both in the invitations and the meeting notes

right at the top before the agenda

rsx11m: thanks :)

anyway, I call this a meeting

thanks again for your time

bye then!

and back to work.

... to breakfast 8-)

bye rsx11m

as an addendem to the Status Meeting, all things are fully operational and responding correctly to the Cross-Reference update code following the text file in master branches

I hope it has been useful to you all

NewTobinParadigim yes the crossref helps. Using it frequently. Thanks.

frg_Away: I dunno why Mozilla ever abandoned it.. their successive replacements were inferior to this ancient hacked up mess

THe people who supported the old cross reference system all left.

WG9s_: that would make sense if they were purged

say in .. well the 2016 purge and cross reference was discontinued and replaced with dxr wasn't it

well origianl system used was lxr and that guy left a new guy took over and wrote mxr then he left 3rd guy and we got dxr and then he was gone also

i think was kind of a thankless thing to maintain

and not enough people willing to help

the old lxr was modified by mozilla to do multiple trees

and yeah lots of infra work is a thankless job

meanwhile i recently made another go of adapting gnu global to what i want. very tiny steps. at least i can make it output a function's body now instead of just the start

i learned that long ago

i am still gonna continue replacing parts of the cross reference with php the only thing i can't do for the forseeable future is display of actual source files OR ident search that would have to stay perl.. but listing the directory and freetext search is fairly easy I just need to DO the work

Well usually you pay people to maintain it and get it fixed. Sometimes replacements are needed but with mozilla it seems every new employee seems to design a new one :) Can't say I see a general plan...

i could display the source files but they wouldn't be ident linked

well when you run an organization subject to political will of your benefactors .. you get 2010s+ Mozilla

UNLESS i could potentally modify HOW identifers are linked and JUST use perl to do that without generating the whole page.. the same could be done for ident search.. leaving a reduced scope of perl code to ONLY do ident cross referencing, linking, search results possibily even given back to PHP as json or something

just get perl components stripped down to bare nessessities and php to do everything else

for the wource wonce i find the file i want to look at i jst use hg.mozilla.org to list and click on annotate to get blame.

but if you are looking for something to work on your source and not mozilla source that would not reallh work for you

eyah i need to figure out the perl code that allows git and hg parsing.. it was written VERY specifically for mozilla's setup

tho gogs for me doesn't seem to have git blame

but it is something to look into

tho it does slow down processing

which is why I only use mozilla hg for the central repos

i used to know more perl back in the very early 2000s when i ran Yabb and graymatter and some orginal cgi-bin shit

but i forgot almost all of it

me reading perl today is trying to just use basic c-style skills plus regex reading skills

a shame perl is almost a dead language

as i see it, perl and ruby have merely switched places. still perfectly fine to read perl for me, the problem for projects to adapt perl these days is that the knowledgeable people can't be easily replaced.

adopt*

ruby is just terrible

imo

also

There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical.

We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear.

You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to – The Outer Limits!

wesley blew up the earth!

</spoiler> &gt;;)

i recently read some perl code that looked like it was transliterated from javascript. so apparently some people try and succeed to take up perl in the third decade of the 21st century.

Harzilein: all i can really be sure of though

is the future ain't what it used to be

Harzilein

Perl!? Ruby?! Isn't those, like, for ooooold people?

the rage is JavaScript, YAML, and the hipster language of the week!

oh, and Rust

I have a grand total of like 5 minutes of experience on Ruby

and that was over a decade ago because I had to hack a Amarok lyrics plugin that broke because lyrics sites suck

the future ain't what it used to be sounds like a Yogi-ism!

In case you don;t get the reference these are quotes attributed to Yogi Berra who said this like this but no evidence he ever actually said this particular thing!