02:12:44 <tomman> it's just me, or Cloudflare-backed sites are wetting the bed tonight?
02:13:32 <tomman> (try pinging/tracerouting 1.1.1.1 - for me it dies at a seabone.net or telia.net node, so it doesn't seem CANTV to be blocking crap as usual)
02:16:04 <tomman> ...nevermind, it IS CANTV blocking crap again :/
02:16:31 <tomman> (just checked on my Movistar cellphone -  also to hell with Cloudflare and friends)
02:44:49 <tomman> ...and it fixed itself, maybe a legit routing failure? (Cloudflare is now getting routed via Globenet)
17:55:05 <therube> slow FF >98 startup, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=comment-revisions.html&bug_id=1763703&comment_id=15875682
21:20:14 <NewTobinParadigm> http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/21d21c38-bb65-4368-b58e-b6cf228f7c37.jpg
21:20:37 <NewTobinParadigm> welp
21:21:09 <NewTobinParadigm> installtrigger was never supported in firefox.. except it was used by AMO for over a decade and the recommended as the way to do it rather than naked xpi links
21:21:10 <NewTobinParadigm> moar lies from Mozilla
21:43:10 <frg_Away> Given that there is not much left from the mozilla add-ons ecosystem I doubt many care. What is left will probably be wiped up and tossed anway after manifest v3 implementation. Will still be interesting to see if they keep blocking webrequest as promised.
21:44:11 <NewTobinParadigm> nah all they can do is lie
21:45:20 <NewTobinParadigm> IF they don't do full manifest v3 webextensions google will simply stop funding them and fund safari as their number two token vote in whatwg and defence against anti-trust
21:45:27 <frg_Away> Well the renegotiations with google fall in the same timeframe as this  :)
21:46:22 <NewTobinParadigm> also depend how much the google budget is earmarked for Mitchel and the board as well
21:46:53 <NewTobinParadigm> i really hate this near mono-culture and complete cartel bullshit
21:47:15 <NewTobinParadigm> but that is why I am branching out from web clients into other areas to keep mah xul alive
21:47:44 <NewTobinParadigm> cause even if Borealis fails as badly as Pale Moon will .. i can still create shit with the mozilla technology
21:48:10 <NewTobinParadigm> I have some plans to eventually do a notepad++ clone and even a windows and linux git client clone of sourcetree
21:48:35 <NewTobinParadigm> really anything is possible and one automagically gets supreme extensiability and theming .. SOMETHING will stick
21:48:37 <NewTobinParadigm> has to
21:48:51 <NewTobinParadigm> and even if it doesn't... I am gonna do it anyway because fuck other software
21:48:54 <NewTobinParadigm> you know frg_Away
21:49:24 <NewTobinParadigm> maybe I will create an entire Linux Desktop Environment based on the platform codebase
21:49:54 <NewTobinParadigm> a real one not a bootstrap for an appstore like Mozilla did
21:52:36 <frg_Away> I am just happy to keep SeaMonkey up and running together with IanN and the other contributors. When mozilla folds it might become interesting again or not. We will see.
21:52:48 <frg_Away> and now some sleep
21:52:59 <NewTobinParadigm> Mozilla won't fold until it goes against Google 100%
21:53:01 <NewTobinParadigm> oh
21:53:02 <NewTobinParadigm> well shit