Hi, I am using seamonkey on anti x and i happen to remove all my toolbars. There is no space for me to right click and pick toolbars anymore and i dont have the menu bar or url bar. how can i reset this/

NVM

maybe it makes sense to ask here in addition to #chatzilla: how does one reload networks.txt?

nHarzilei There is now a restore Deafaults in the Networks Editor.

not _reset_

i modified it externally

now i want to make use of it

(w/o restarting cz and disconnecting everything that is)

nHarzilei Not sure if this is possible. IanN_Away did most of the cZ stuff lately. Maybe he knows.

Hi Rainer_Bielefeld

Hi frg

nHarzilei: i'd have to double check on the code but only touched the recent version, you seem to be on a fairly old version (0.9.92)

oh, it's fine, i can try and get a newer one running somehow. (if still possible on an old implementation)

(i _think_ i have the latest sm i can run on this ancient macos)

nHarzilei 2.53.x runs on 10.9 min. Or it should.

i guess addons.thunderbird.net/de/seamonkey/addon/chatzilla (or some associated api url) is not the place anymore where it should now look for updates?

this is 10.6.8

nHarzilei Time for a hardware update or switch to Linux on it.

i _am_ trying to install a contemporary xcode, but it's not beefy wrt ram.

it's obviously not my main machine

2.53 will not compile or work with < 10.9. We basically forked cZ for 2.53. I think upstream it is pretty much dead.

i'll gladly try on a linux box if that moves things along wrt the actual functionality, but of course would be interested in updating this machine too.

(wrt cz, 's fine if i'm stuck with an older mail & news component)

(and the browser works fine for w/e links appear in about boxes etc., as long as i do the update dance around the keys signing the letsencrypt ones)

is there any bugzilla url or discussion on what actually led to the version bump? i can imagine they just did not want to support ancient xcode versions in their tooling.

(in before bisect it myself ;)

nHarzilei Newer sdk and ancient OS. Too many problems. I am even thinking of going up to 10.11 now. Problems with Monterey Full screen might need further adjustments but not a mac developer. All workarounds < 10.9 are removed from our code.

it's funny that debian people are discussing rust and quantum on m68k while a macos version from _this_ century poses a problem ;)

nHarzilein I think for current Firefox it is now 10.13 or 10.12. Not sure.

so the cz in 2.40 is still the upstream one?

hi stefanh

IanN: Hi

guess my immediate problem will solve itself when i have to restart for getting 0.9.93 :)

IanN: ##smafa says I need an invite

oh, and is it still possible to donate just by wiring money to kairo?

ah, to SeaMonkey e.V., nvm

nHarzilei. Donation information is on the project page. kairo is basically no longer involved other than the german landing page.

see seamonkey-project.org/donate

yeah, found that just now

nHarzilei: yes, I did consider whether we could update the upchannel version but lots of the changes would not work with the older SeaMonkey

Hi, all

hiya RickieES

I'm trying to access the meeting channel but I'm not allowed to enter nor to invite myself

RickieES: are you doing the double # ?

Yes

RickieES: done :)

heh, 10.11. i think 10.7 isn't even the last my system would support, but before i try anything else i'd want to try that first if i can get my hands on it.

(not a real mac person myself, so even acquiring it seems to be a major endeavour)

Hm, I only can join an unknown room smafa

oh, right, you have your meetings on sundays, right? saw that somewhere.

nHarzilei you should be able to update inplace.

yeah, i just did, but it still says i need to restart

oh, you meant the os?

nHarzilei: looking at the code, there's not currently a way of re-reading the networks file

yes

well, if i want to larp this being my best machine, of course i'd be helplessly stuck because no browser on it can log into the apple account anymore :D

and i'm sure the experience _will_ turn out to be less than optimal when done through another computer... but i'm sure when i visit some genius bar, folks will gladly offer me to dispose of my e-waste ;)

let's check ebay classifieds, maybe a firewire enclosure turns up. sd card, usb stick both unbearably slow when running linux off it.

i was looking at a 2009 iMac in the office on Friday...

i think that's what i sat in front of at a former part-time job

only ever had a huge terminal open on it, and parallels running the windows client for lotus notes. well, and a browser. think i never tried running seamonkey on it, that i did only at lab computers at uni.

(wrt macs)

Sorry about missing the eV General Assembly: I fell asleep in front of the computer.

no matter what the corporate structure is, it's probably possible to find out which brands belong to Aol-Yahoo-Verizon-etc by looking for reports of broken 8-bit in outgoing e-mail messages...