14:34:32 <miciomicio22> hi
14:34:57 <miciomicio22> someone on IRC ?
14:37:38 <miciomicio22> ?
14:38:34 <miciomicio22> someone know how use gdrive with seamonkey 2.53.11.1 ? any command don't work..
20:10:34 <nHarzilei> .seen miciomicio22
20:10:38 <nHarzilei> !seen miciomicio22
20:11:04 <nHarzilei> */whowas*
20:11:31 <nHarzilei> heh, cz really likes the "attached" lingo :D
20:24:35 <JamminUnit> Did you guys add some performance improvements into 2.53.12b1?
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20:28:53 <mahdi[m]> Is there any chance SM would implement this?
20:30:24 <mahdi[m]> I know I asked maybe year ago, so just to keep updated on this, cheers
20:33:05 <frg_Away> JamminUnit Lots of stuff in 2.53.12b1 and feels snappier to me. But might be wishful thinking :)
20:33:51 <frg_Away> mahdi[m} it is in 2.53.13b1 pre
20:34:48 <mahdi[m]> wau, let me try WG9s build then
20:34:56 <JamminUnit> frg_Away: yeah, same here.
20:41:50 <mahdi[m]> it works, fantastic! thanks frg_Away I guess my tiny FOSS budget for this month goes to SM :)
20:42:46 <frg_Away> It was actually a backport from Waterfox Classic which was a backport from PaleMoon but lots of other things in 2.53.13b1 pre which are not :)
20:45:23 <mahdi[m]> Yeah also noticed it looks somewhat shinier (reloading tabs icon etc), really happy project is alive
20:49:20 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: what was?
20:49:41 <NewTobinParadigm> and how can anything from UXP/GRE/ARE be a backport when our orginal base is older?
20:49:50 <NewTobinParadigm> :P
20:50:21 <frg_Away> mahdi[m] The complete NPAPI removal might have to do with it. Lots of code in hot places gone.
20:51:12 <frg_Away> I got htis for WFx Classic: https://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/patches/seamonkey-253-patches/mozilla-release/patches/WIP-1539694-allsettled.patch
20:51:23 <frg_Away> ^from WFX Classic
20:51:26 <NewTobinParadigm> I plan to globally disable plugins by default but removing NPAPI is more trouble than it is worth at my level
20:51:48 <NewTobinParadigm> oh yeah
20:52:17 <NewTobinParadigm> i helped athenian get into the right mindset and asked the right questions to get him to fix this after Moonchild flamed out on the task
20:52:34 <NewTobinParadigm> sucks they both betrayed me.. but oh well
20:53:13 <NewTobinParadigm> btw I intend to revive the InstantBird project as a fork on my platform codebase
20:53:43 <NewTobinParadigm> I plan to call it Axion Instant Messenger .. or .. wait for it.. AIM
20:53:47 <NewTobinParadigm> ;)
20:54:37 <NewTobinParadigm> will have XMPP/Gtalk and IRC and likely be able to backport matrix from the later chatcore work
20:54:51 <NewTobinParadigm> just no WebRTC relient protocols or the dead ones
20:55:28 <NewTobinParadigm> seeing as I am gonna setup XMPP server eventually when I get around to it.. and I despise chatzilla.. would be nice to have a BinOC Product that can access BinOC Services
20:55:50 <NewTobinParadigm>  SOMEONE has to keep the XMPP federated system from total collapse after all
20:56:18 <NewTobinParadigm> i wonder why someone doesn't take XMPP and just replace XML with JSON responses
20:56:21 <NewTobinParadigm> JMPP
20:56:23 <NewTobinParadigm> :P
20:58:13 <mahdi[m]> good to know frg_Away feels also snappier using it for few minutes, let's see after few days ... anyway really happy I can still be on SM as my main browser ever since NN gold :)
20:59:45 <NewTobinParadigm> IF I was SMART I'd rebase everything on 56
21:00:01 <frg_Away> mahdi[m] well technically it is now well beyond the Quantum Marketing Fx 57 level when it comes to source. There really was no Quantum but there are still believers in this :)
21:00:07 <NewTobinParadigm> but too much has been done to my base so i guess I will have to try and continue evolving it up
21:00:34 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: remember MANY things done in 57-60 were illadvised and were reverted or refactored away in later codebases
21:00:59 <NewTobinParadigm> opening up security holes that were only dealt with with deletion or complete refactoring or rusticals
21:03:03 <frg_Away> I know. I did go thru all 57 patches and skipped the worst offenders. As for security always checked the bugs and picked the regressions and crash fixes.
21:09:46 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: yeah but not everything is caught especially if an entire blog is just outright replaced
21:09:50 <NewTobinParadigm> blob*
21:09:58 <NewTobinParadigm> or slaved into servo
21:10:03 <NewTobinParadigm> stylo
21:10:36 <NewTobinParadigm> the orginal codepath could have an exposed vulnerability because it isn't taken into consideration anymore until its eventual removal
21:14:18 <WG9s_> NewTobinParadigm: that is one of the problems with trying to support the old non-stylo style system.  It si no longer being updated with security patches
21:14:37 <WG9s_> we really need to get stylo to work
21:15:21 <frg_Away> stylo and webreder have so many regressions it will take time to stabilize. Not enabled and webrender was only really a thing in 91 anyway.
21:15:23 <frg_Away> I take the patches but at least for webrender I don't think it will come in this life to SM. Personlly I think with this one they limited themselves to the latest set of gfx cards with the latest drivers. Anything older will behave badly because of driver bugs or missing os support.
21:15:26 <NewTobinParadigm> i think that would be a mistake
21:16:48 <WG9s_> not doing webrender for now is fine as i am not sure it is still enabled in all cases to the old code still works and is supported.  stlo on the otherhand has not been supported for a long time even for security fixes.
21:17:42 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm Rust is a mistake but can't be helped.
21:18:01 <WG9s_> webrender is a bit too only works on certain graphics cards so they still supported the old code as a fallback at least fairly recently so probably still supported for security fixes.
21:18:09 <NewTobinParadigm> i dunno what people expected really..
21:18:10 <NewTobinParadigm> it is literally corroding the codebase
21:18:32 <frg_Away> WG9s_ baically webrender is now enabled in 91 and old code removed. Can't say I like it. They use now a software render path there.
21:18:39 <NewTobinParadigm> i'd punch emillio in the face if i could for what he has done
21:19:06 <WG9s_> stylo is another issue.  not sure much there that would be security issues but is kind of why a lot of sites display incorrectly because recent changes to the CSS standard are only implemented in stylo.
21:19:18 <NewTobinParadigm> yeah a software renderer targeting systems that all have compositors .. what sense does THAT make
21:20:14 <WG9s_> NewTobinParadigm: is a way to make webrender work for older GPUs that can not do it I think
21:20:29 <frg_Away> I don't punch anyone. It is just code.
21:20:56 <WG9s_> I punch Emilio just for causing thouse utf=8 check-ins!
21:21:20 <NewTobinParadigm> WG9s_: See.. we CAN agree on something :)
21:21:55 <WG9s_> NewTobinParadigm: just in case you don;t know there some odd kind of charatcer enoding issue beween git and hg with our patch queues with his name inthe hg headers
21:22:14 <NewTobinParadigm> I don't doubt it
21:22:57 <NewTobinParadigm> unicode should go away
21:23:02 <frg_Away> And I punch you all if you continue to tell that you will punch people. Just watching the news and Adolf Putin is enough for 10 lifetimes.
21:23:15 <NewTobinParadigm> stick to plain ascii and maybe ansi sometimes
21:23:49 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: so you don't punch people but u'd punch me?
21:24:04 <NewTobinParadigm> I'll have you courtmarshalled, shot, and sent to the russian front!
21:24:50 <WG9s_> basically an issue with anyone whose name has Diacriticals in the "# User" line
21:25:07 <WG9s_> We refer to this as the Emilio issue!
21:25:32 <frg_Away> Well 90 years after my country and our glorious fuehrer did it to them they do it to another country the same way. Must be progress I think.
21:25:32 <NewTobinParadigm> he doesn't just cause a few issues.. it is a whole subscription
21:26:27 <WG9s_> NewTobinParadigm: emilio seems to be the one doing the most to break us, but also seems to be the only one trying to implement new stuff in Firefox.
21:27:02 <NewTobinParadigm> because his work relies on obliterating the netscape and classical mozilla legacy
21:27:11 <NewTobinParadigm> if it didn't he wouldn't do it
21:27:15 <NewTobinParadigm> prove me wrong
21:27:47 <NewTobinParadigm> also likely has the correct opinions as well
21:27:59 <NewTobinParadigm> you know that is of paramount importance
21:28:23 <WG9s_> back in the day was a community project kind of even supposedly less supported than seamonkey called camino whch was trying to get the browser to run on a MAC.  was not supported at all by mozilla but still had a you break it you fix it policy.
21:29:10 <NewTobinParadigm> you know what astounds me in this day and age.. even when we are super pissed off at each other we can eventually be civial again and that 4chan and kiwi farms were more civial than the Pale Moon community
21:29:13 <NewTobinParadigm> figure that shit out
21:29:29 <WG9s_> was not a your patch would be backed out but would be required to work with the Camino people to make it work.
21:29:32 <NewTobinParadigm> I remember Camino
21:29:55 <NewTobinParadigm> was the mac solution because Firefox's orginal project goals were to NEVER be on mac.. only unix and windows
21:30:53 <NewTobinParadigm> in principle I agree with you break it you fix it.. but it can be applied so badly most of the time
21:31:13 <frg_Away> The problem with mozilla is 99% caused by management.
21:31:29 <NewTobinParadigm> the problem with mozilla was 99% caused by MozCo
21:31:41 <NewTobinParadigm> not MozOrg
21:31:48 <NewTobinParadigm> at the time
21:31:55 <NewTobinParadigm> but we are talking 2005-2009 era
21:32:19 <NewTobinParadigm> and yeah I was observing back then as I tend to do
21:32:35 <WG9s_> And now really on focused on WIndows.  the whole reason Firefox took off was back in teh early days when trying to get non-technical people to use the web, they turned to their techy friends who were all UNIX people and they advised the people who asked for help advised them to use FIrefox.
21:32:52 <NewTobinParadigm> I am aware
21:33:00 <NewTobinParadigm> what a fuckin mistake that was in hindsight
21:33:03 <NewTobinParadigm> eh lol
21:33:37 <WG9s_> well, the alternative was IE
21:34:15 <NewTobinParadigm> Firefox 4 really fucked everyone over.. gecko/2 killed easy embedding.. Firefox 4's UX nearly killed the skinning community as well as had a big impact on the extension scene.. then came bootstrap and jetpack and mainstream of lightweight themes
21:34:34 <NewTobinParadigm> and then eventually Australis and then Quantum and now no one cares
21:34:40 <NewTobinParadigm> and Mozilla's marketshare shows that
21:34:55 <NewTobinParadigm> endless mobile failed projects and compramises
21:35:00 <NewTobinParadigm> yep
21:35:08 <WG9s_> Of course Netscape screed up by abandoning Netscape navigator and having the suite being the onl thing they provided.
21:35:15 <NewTobinParadigm> that was AOL
21:35:22 <tomman> Who owns Netscape these days?
21:35:28 <NewTobinParadigm> Verizon Media
21:35:35 <tomman> wasn't Facebook?
21:35:37 <tomman> ah, Oath
21:35:42 <NewTobinParadigm> no it is Verizon Media
21:35:50 <NewTobinParadigm> I'd KILL to get the trademark
21:36:09 <tomman> "brand necrophilia" would say JWZ
21:36:16 <NewTobinParadigm> my Borealis branding is as close as I can make it without actually infrenging on it
21:36:28 <WG9s_> does that mean it is hyahoo are they not Verizon now?
21:36:57 <tomman> IIRC that became Oath, which at some point was bought by Verizon or something like that
21:37:01 <NewTobinParadigm> Yahoo is still TECHNICALLY under Oath proper but still that is under Verizon Media
21:37:13 <NewTobinParadigm> while Netscape is str8 up Verizon Media
21:37:18 <NewTobinParadigm> well
21:37:22 <NewTobinParadigm> technically still under AOL
21:37:25 <tomman> the last remnants of Yahoo are in Japan, but that's owned by Softbank
21:37:27 <NewTobinParadigm> which is Under verizon media
21:37:31 <tomman> aka the one doing the firesale of ARM
21:37:44 <NewTobinParadigm> AOL and Oath are at the same level organization wise under VZM
21:38:02 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/src/TRUNK/other-licenses/branding/borealis/release/content/about.png
21:38:34 <NewTobinParadigm> not a square not a circle.. blue purple instead of blue green offset ship wheel instead of centered and the font is RedHat's
21:38:45 <NewTobinParadigm> that is as close as I dare to get to Netscape's actual branding
21:39:38 <tomman> wonder how much is the Netscape brand worth for Verizon these days
21:39:59 <NewTobinParadigm> i think the ISP still makes them some money
21:40:01 <tomman> I guess the answer is "zero, but you still need to put some extra zeroes in front of that number on the check"
21:40:41 <NewTobinParadigm> the domain name makes them money.. but the tangible brand identity worth? not much but more than releasing it to someone else would
21:40:45 <NewTobinParadigm> more or less tomman
21:41:21 <tomman> reminds me when JWZ tried to get the mcom.com domain back
21:41:37 <tomman> he nearly got for free... until Verizon lawyers got in the middle
21:41:48 <NewTobinParadigm> they wouldn't let him but they did set the dns to his shit
21:41:56 <tomman> at least he did got that
21:42:11 <NewTobinParadigm> I remember using Mosiac Netscape 0.9 on Windows 3.1
21:42:30 <tomman> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2019/03/help-me-keep-home-mcom-com-online/ ah, this
21:42:47 <tomman> I think my first Netscape release was 4.something
21:42:51 <WG9s_> I am stuck for ISP service where I live.  I don't like Verizon, but I HATE Comcast!
21:43:47 <tomman> still better than Soviet Venezuela, where for 90% of us there is no choice but the state-owned ISP which makes your USAian ISPs look like shining angels
21:44:31 <tomman> ironically, before Chavez, Verizon owned a significant part of CANTV
21:44:33 <WG9s_> toommanthat was around when things went wrong theu came up with Netscpase Navigaotro version 4 and then soon after came ojt with Netscpe Communicator version 4 and then deicded thehy did not wnt 2 products so driped the stand-alone browser to have the wuite also and did your parents really need an IRC client or an html editor?
21:45:46 <tomman> I also remember the first post-Mozilla Netscape releases: they were unusable bloaty abominations for someone on a 128MB Deceleron shoebox
21:46:15 <tomman> ...when they dared starting up, which was not often
21:47:02 <WG9s_> tomman: there was the one AOL thing that has a unified front end and someohow worked with the IE and gecko backend and you could select show as IE or whow as Netscpe.
21:47:16 <WG9s_> I think that was called Netscape version 9
21:47:25 <tomman> WG9s_: by then I had already settled on Firefox
21:47:25 <WG9s_> version 8 I missed by a key there
21:47:34 <tomman> IIRC I dumped IE6 for Mozilla Suite circa 2002
21:47:44 <tomman> (IE6 was faster, but very crashy)
21:47:55 <WG9s_> but netcpae 4 was last version with the stand-alone browser before the AOL netscpae 8 thing
21:48:05 <WG9s_> after that was suite only
21:48:24 <tomman> Prior that, I used NS4 but many sites I relied on back then were unusable (sounds familiar?)
21:48:54 <WG9s_> they skipped verion 5 becuase anted to catch up wiht Microsoft becuase they were at verion 6 and did not want seem to be behid becuase of verion numbers
21:48:57 <tomman> also, NS4 felt more heavy when compared to IE, but was clearly lighter than initial Mozilla Suite releases
21:49:47 <WG9s_> Netspce 6 never atchally seemed to work and Netscape version 7 did not work correctly with proxies so 7.1 was teh next version I actually thought even usable.
21:50:00 <tomman> back then Google was just the fallback that Yahoo used when it ran out of results, and "chrome" was a word I heard first on Mozilla :D
21:50:24 <NewTobinParadigm> netscape 6 was based on pre-1.0 gecko
21:50:25 <WG9s_> andI think that was actullhy the last actul before Mozilla spit version I think version 8 was a last gasp AOL thing.
21:50:45 <NewTobinParadigm> version 8 was modified firefox
21:50:53 <NewTobinParadigm> with whore features a shit done of them
21:51:39 <mahdi[m]> I ran NN 3 gold on 386sx, NN4 was far away needing Pentium to render same sites
21:51:52 <NewTobinParadigm> anyway the reason on xr that i indexed 0.9.4.1 was it was the basis for the last version of Netscape 6 so it might be significant.. Netscape 7's last version was gecko/1.7
21:52:10 <NewTobinParadigm> WG9s_: http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/
21:53:11 <NewTobinParadigm> i should add comm-1.9.2 and comm-esr24 and comm-esr38
21:53:17 <NewTobinParadigm> at some point
21:53:21 <NewTobinParadigm> for reference
21:53:25 <NewTobinParadigm> ... cross reference
21:53:26 <NewTobinParadigm> lol
21:54:17 <WG9s_> I don't remember if netsacpe 6 had this issue but netscape 7 was unusable for me from work because our only access to the internet was via proxies but the browser even if using a proxy refused to let you connect to anything it could not resolve in dns.
21:55:19 <NewTobinParadigm> http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/0184dcce-312a-4ecb-8814-fadacaefef5c.jpg
21:55:30 <NewTobinParadigm> i am pretty happy with what I have done with the navigator component
21:55:46 <NewTobinParadigm> red logo on throbber because trunk build
21:57:11 <NewTobinParadigm> windows 8+ http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/0e28e8f1-2af3-4f6f-8304-719af1d9b80c.jpg
21:58:10 <NewTobinParadigm> SPEAKING OF.. there are some patches you might want.. like not having WHITE dialog color n such
21:58:16 <WG9s_> Funny thing is I also wrote some code for the ill fated never released Mosaic version 3 which implemented a proxy method called split DNS.  the way it worked was if the hostname resolved, it connected directly if it did not resolve then it used the defined proxy.  This worked great!
21:59:45 <WG9s_> did not need a complicated proxy.pac file to try to determine which things were inside and which were outside
22:01:44 <vord[m]> Hmmm, has this caused any issues for seamonkey? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1535761
22:02:14 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/219ef5c6f1dc676610d5db369628d7855c7d0398
22:02:14 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/df1bfef2a301ebbc9bd8bdcdc571679ceae7e4e1
22:02:14 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/0d3dfa439428bce6c8bfe122ff1e6ded68762aae
22:02:14 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/9efe008d301026ac24790f3646ff0e88431fbf7f
22:02:14 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/31572b0d909c6300c9539e7e68eab2f4416f8799
22:02:15 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/c88fbe54866323839e4d3749707869232bd68123
22:02:17 <NewTobinParadigm> those
22:02:32 <NewTobinParadigm> some may not be desirable for you frg_Away but they are there if you want em
22:05:28 <NewTobinParadigm> basically frg_Away WG9s_ mine aura-central (or uxp) for anything you want or need
22:05:55 <NewTobinParadigm> such as https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commits/TRUNK/js/src
22:07:15 <vord[m]> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1308512
22:07:37 <NewTobinParadigm> FUCKING GROSS
22:07:44 <NewTobinParadigm> vord[m]:
22:07:47 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm I am now on Server 2019 most of the time but still run 7 and 8.1. Will export them and check but no promise. Swamped with stuff.
22:07:48 <frg_Away> Btw. this should be applyable to an originally 52 based one too: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/994b05cff95d
22:08:09 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: i was just offering it up if you want
22:08:18 <vord[m]> NewTobinParadigm: I assume the underlying implementation still relies on XPConnect, its just hidden more
22:08:35 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: oh will THAT actually fix the feeds issue?
22:08:45 <frg_Away> NewTobinParadigm if it fixes stuff I usally always want to.
22:08:56 <NewTobinParadigm> a one liner
22:09:12 <NewTobinParadigm> have to find and revert my half-assed didn't actually fix shit commit lol
22:09:49 <NewTobinParadigm> least that means i can put off moving to Phoenix RSS code for a while longer
22:09:52 <frg_Away> yes fixes it. Accidently removed. Thought it was time to actually do someting in suite for a few hours then.
22:09:54 <NewTobinParadigm> thank you frg_Away
22:11:00 <vord[m]> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1758481
22:11:30 <NewTobinParadigm> guess it makes sense for browser.html
22:11:57 <NewTobinParadigm> but i think for what I am doing I'd like to keep es modules and js modules as a seperate thing
22:12:13 <NewTobinParadigm> besides.. moonchild STILL couldn't get dynamic es modules working
22:12:20 <NewTobinParadigm> only basic es modules
22:12:56 <vord[m]> I believe there is a long list of things moonchild can't get working
22:13:13 <NewTobinParadigm> but in mozilla's view relying on shitty sandboxing that doesn't work in multiprocess with a backup of principle scope in browser.html it makes sense
22:13:19 <NewTobinParadigm> vord[m]: yeah
22:13:25 <NewTobinParadigm> but 5 critical things
22:13:58 <NewTobinParadigm> but maybe the tobin hate will fuel new development and then i will simply come along and import it to MAH platform
22:14:02 <NewTobinParadigm> right vord[m]
22:14:54 <NewTobinParadigm> so while it sucks there won't be a unified front and i have to make extra sure what I import doesn't go off the rails.. there IS something easier about this now from my perspective
22:15:19 <NewTobinParadigm> so in the long term I think it will be a win for me
22:15:28 <NewTobinParadigm> despite the difficulies in the short term
22:15:55 <vord[m]> I don't really get what the pale moon community (whatever is left) wants
22:16:28 <tomman> Firefox 3.x UI was peak browser UI
22:16:33 <tomman> we've been on freefall since then
22:18:33 <NewTobinParadigm> tomman: except for places
22:18:44 <NewTobinParadigm> default theme wise 2 was superior
22:18:50 <NewTobinParadigm> 3 was fine on AREO
22:19:02 <NewTobinParadigm> but not on luna or classic
22:19:28 <vord[m]> I'm surprised places hasn't been abandoned yet
22:20:01 <NewTobinParadigm> vord[m]: The Pale Moon community wants every Firefox Extension ever made to stay working while having all the latest chrome shineys AND for the UI to never change unless they want several conflicting changes that will piss one majority or another off
22:20:21 <vord[m]> lol
22:20:50 <NewTobinParadigm> they also want full theme and persona theming to customize everything but for nothing to ever change
22:21:14 <NewTobinParadigm> they also want to know how to do everything without actually learning how to do anything
22:21:24 <NewTobinParadigm> This is what the userbase wants
22:21:58 <vord[m]> NewTobinParadigm: I don't see the point
22:22:03 <vord[m]> Most firefox extensions were not very good
22:22:05 <NewTobinParadigm> they won't read or retain anything but will spread false conclusions made by people who have never used the software to every corner of the earth
22:22:20 <NewTobinParadigm> vord[m]: the earlier extensions were fantastic
22:22:43 <NewTobinParadigm> jetpack extensions were mostly shit or service extensions targeting an incarnation of a service from 6 years ago
22:22:44 <vord[m]> I'm just saying, at the peak, there was a lot of garbage
22:23:42 <vord[m]> It seems accepting some breakage to move the platform forward would benefit users in the long term
22:23:49 <NewTobinParadigm> only because Mozilla went to automated review and the hoo-mons were purged or reassigned
22:24:12 <NewTobinParadigm> hell now they just slap a banner that says not a recommended extension
22:24:36 <vord[m]> how do they expect chrome shineys without platform changes that break extensions?
22:24:47 <vord[m]> It sounds like pale moon users don't understand the software they're using!
22:24:54 <NewTobinParadigm> vord[m]: of course but PTSD from Mozilla taking away everything from them results in pitchforks and torches whenever a single pixel is changed
22:25:03 <NewTobinParadigm> vord[m]: they really don't
22:25:31 <NewTobinParadigm> when Moonchild introduced a 1px gap between tabs the entire userbase revolted
22:25:41 <vord[m]> lol
22:25:56 <NewTobinParadigm> Mozilla has seen its own stuff like tabs on top
22:26:11 <NewTobinParadigm> which no one wanted but then removing tabs on bottom was even worse
22:26:12 <tomman> oh god, Chrome 100 is now a thing
22:26:15 <tomman> WHY
22:26:25 <vord[m]> Actually chrome 101 is now a thing
22:26:28 <NewTobinParadigm> because version numbers are merely marketing fiction now
22:26:28 <tomman> (and soon, FF100 will also be a thing)
22:26:40 <vord[m]> FF100 is shipping in like 10 days
22:26:51 <vord[m]> Nightly is already v101
22:27:34 <tomman> hope $FORMER_BOSS has fixed that version check regex on $A_CERTAIN_PRODUCT production releases :)
22:28:13 <NewTobinParadigm> https://web.archive.org/web/20150106135911/http://techcentral.binaryoutcast.com/editorials/what-version-is-it-anyway/
22:28:18 <NewTobinParadigm> i wrote that in 2014
22:34:58 <vord[m]> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/hardware-acceleration/
22:36:37 <NewTobinParadigm> I should get back to writing again
22:36:59 <NewTobinParadigm> the New Binary Outcast site will have a blog/news post-based content feature and it would be good to start writing again
22:37:19 <frg_Away> Meeting notes are done:
22:37:21 <frg_Away> https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17
22:37:22 <frg_Away> https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey%2FStatusMeetings%2F2022-04-17&type=revision&diff=1242027&oldid=1241948
22:38:14 <frg_Away> and now back to real life and way.
22:38:25 <frg_Away> ^away
22:38:26 <NewTobinParadigm> >real life
22:42:55 <tomman> the day Real Life™ ships version 100, I'm out
22:47:40 <NewTobinParadigm> well tomman seems this isn't real life
22:47:46 <NewTobinParadigm> according to frg
22:50:29 <tomman> "TypeError: this.attachShadow is not a function"
22:50:42 <tomman> GAAAAAH, GIGGITYHUB!!!
22:51:04 <tomman> how many times we do need to work around the same Chromeism?!
22:51:06 <tomman> oh wait
22:51:22 <tomman> D'OH!
22:51:34 <tomman> I forgot I had enabled dom.webcomponents.enabled for pleasing Pixiv
22:52:10 <tomman> that of course breaks GitHub (even with JustOff's addon - I guess it doesn't expect "native" WebComponents® support, or falls back or whatever)
22:52:14 <tomman> so yeah, my fault
22:53:00 <tomman> must pick: cute Japanese anime drawings, or bugtrackers
22:53:15 <tomman> ...both are infected with the Chromeisms
22:55:05 <NewTobinParadigm> i am eventually gonna have to get homerchu building so a buddy can produce their Basilisk fork
22:55:17 <NewTobinParadigm> australis is gross
22:56:19 <NewTobinParadigm> basically I am kicking Firefox components out of my platform and will redesign or replace components with communicator style versions
22:56:54 <NewTobinParadigm> which unlike Firefox 4 and 29 shit has a rather application agnostic design
22:57:10 <NewTobinParadigm> basically consider it XPFE 2.0
22:57:12 <NewTobinParadigm> :P
22:57:52 <NewTobinParadigm> I'll gaurd those behind MOZ_LEGACY and the application can provide its own shit if it wants
22:58:14 <NewTobinParadigm> but yeah
22:58:26 <NewTobinParadigm> i am building a communicator platform
22:58:30 <NewTobinParadigm> not a firefox one
22:58:32 <NewTobinParadigm> heh
22:59:07 <tomman> so basically a Non-Chromeist Electron?
22:59:19 <NewTobinParadigm> of course I know eventually web clients will fail without help but by the time that comes I should have a decent offering of applications that aren't web clients that will keep it going
22:59:25 <NewTobinParadigm> tomman: no not XULRunner
22:59:59 <NewTobinParadigm> things like the cookie and permissions manager .. the true download manager etc will all be considered "toolkit" components
23:00:04 <NewTobinParadigm> tho i don't use the toolkit name
23:00:16 <NewTobinParadigm> in my restructure i merely have components in a components/ directory
23:00:28 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/src/TRUNK/components
23:00:42 <NewTobinParadigm> tho this is largely irrelevant HERE
23:00:52 <NewTobinParadigm> but i don't explcitly intend on advertising or whatever
23:00:58 <NewTobinParadigm> idc if no one uses my stuff
23:01:13 <NewTobinParadigm> has no barring on me doing or creating things
23:02:21 <NewTobinParadigm> tomman: https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/issues/10