00:24:56 <WG9s> NewTobinParadigm: that was actually ment to be a pm to scops
00:27:19 <WG9s> NewTobinParadigm: repos are the ones listed on gitlab for the SeaMonkey releases,  My builds have stuff not really in a repo anywhere just using a patch queue on top of a published repo
00:27:32 <WG9s> I do post the patch queue on my website
00:29:04 <WG9s> my page here https://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ douments the repo to use and then the also a zip file with the patch queues
00:32:22 <WG9s> i also post the latest source at http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-253-source/
00:33:07 <WG9s> this is the source for the latest nightly
00:35:53 <WG9s> that is the source file from the repos stated and the patch ques also referenced having been applied
00:36:33 <WG9s> It is only updated if the Linux macOSX and WIndows builds suceed.
00:37:14 <WG9s> if any of them fail the new source is not posted.
12:43:42 <dan> Hello!
13:31:17 <IanN> Status meeting in 29 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17
13:37:25 <tonymec> Hello, and to those who feast it: Happy Easter!
13:37:39 <frg> tonymec happy easter bunny
13:38:01 <tonymec> frg: :-)
13:38:19 <frg> tonymec found all the eggs yet?
13:39:49 <tonymec> frg: I live alone, hiding eggs to find them back myself is no fun. Rather than hard-boile eggs, I made an omelet.
13:40:17 <frg> Hi WaltS48
13:40:28 <WaltS48> Hi frg
13:41:04 <njsg> hi .*
13:41:13 * WaltS48 doesn't have any eggs to make an omelet with. 
13:41:29 <WaltS48> Hi njsg
13:42:57 <tonymec> hi WaltS48 and happy arch-April equinox
13:43:13 <tonymec> s/arch/March
13:43:53 <WaltS48> Hi tonymec
13:44:19 <frg> And always remember you canÄt make an omlett without breaking some eggs.
13:44:43 * frg is writing useless stuff
13:44:44 <tonymec> :-D
13:46:27 <IanN> Status meeting in 14 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17
13:54:57 <WG9s> Hi everyone who is here for the meeting
13:55:26 <WaltS48> I just lurk. :) Hi WG9s
13:55:51 <WG9s> i WaltS48
13:56:09 <WaltS48> IanN and Maniel
13:56:45 <WG9s> WaltS48: if you participate you feer you might get tasks assigned to you?
13:56:47 <IanN> good day to you WaltS48
13:56:55 <tonymec> hi WG9s
13:57:13 <WG9s> Hi tonymec
13:59:09 <WaltS48> WG9s: I couldn't do any tasks.
13:59:30 <IanN> WaltS48 is on coffee making duties
14:00:33 <IanN> Meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17
14:00:49 <frg> Greeting time
14:00:57 <IanN> rsx11m has the biscuits, need to wait for him
14:02:23 <IanN> might have to delay the biscuit eating
14:03:37 <frg> IanN did he say he could not make it last time?
14:03:47 <IanN> frg: cannot remember
14:03:49 <IanN> Who's taking minutes?
14:04:38 <WG9s> hi rsx11m
14:04:42 <frg> me
14:04:48 <rsx11m> hi *
14:04:48 <IanN> rsx11m: easter egg hunt completed?
14:04:56 <IanN> thanks frg
14:05:01 <IanN> Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
14:05:04 <rsx11m> yepp, took a little longer than expected :-D
14:05:24 <WG9s> well except for us eastern orthodox christion, for whom Easter is next week!
14:05:25 <frg> Hi rsx11m
14:06:16 <frg> Nomnate buc for Optional chaining backports. Still need some cleanups but at least it works and unbreaks lot of sites.
14:06:31 <IanN> seconded
14:07:40 <IanN> Action Items
14:07:56 <frg> Nothing new. busy with current stuff
14:08:44 <IanN> all BAU
14:09:36 <WG9s> Once I get my income tax filed I might go back to trying to provide irc logs on a server with a vlid certificate
14:10:28 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
14:11:07 <frg> ewong is busy so nothing new here. Builders are fine.
14:11:43 <WG9s> BTW speaking of infrastucture and not ours is anyone else having issues trying to connect to the Mozilla sync server?
14:12:14 <WG9s> says i am giving it the worng password and when I click on alything to reset the passwork I get a 500 server failed.
14:13:09 <IanN> sorry, not tried
14:13:22 <rsx11m> not using it ...
14:13:30 <frg> me neither
14:13:47 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
14:14:24 <WG9s> could be my summer home laptops just have the wrong password and I really don;t know what the current one is, but the reset my passord link should be getting a 500 error so would seem there is some mozilla issue with the sync service
14:14:57 <rsx11m> file a bug ;-)
14:15:18 <WG9s> well current mozilla-central/comm=central still builds using the patches on or gitlab patch queues
14:16:17 <frg> All building I think and hopefully central too.
14:17:33 <IanN> yes
14:17:41 <IanN> Release Train
14:18:01 <IanN> 2.53.12b1 is ready for release
14:19:03 <WG9s> ;-)
14:19:28 <frg> Seems macOS Monterey has a problem with fullscreen but not a new one. Don't try to switch to it using the gree dot in the titlebar. Not a new problem.
14:20:11 <WG9s> never use the green dot!
14:20:30 <IanN> I alwats thought the choice was red or blue...
14:20:34 <IanN> *always
14:21:16 <WG9s> I only remeber the blue dot.  back in the day with flash cameras Sylvaina flsh bulbs had a blue dot and it ws alwys trust the blue dot.
14:21:19 <Maniel> Can I ask .... Last I read, there were some serious probs with the 2.57 Alpha/Beta/Release. Is that still the case .... and, if so, could the "hoped for" advances be backed-off a bit so a new, advanced, release be produced rather than going deeper and deeper into the 2.53 line??
14:21:52 <IanN> 2.53.12 should be out in a few weeks
14:22:42 <frg> Hopefully sooner.
14:23:21 <Maniel> Additionally, if the 2.57 release is going to be seriously different to 2.53, ..... might it be time to go to Version 3.x ??
14:23:39 <WG9s> Maniel: looking for more people to work on 2.57  Did you just volunteer?
14:24:06 <frg> Maniel It is easier to backport stuff to 2.53 and it has lots of stuff for later versions now. Basically it is at 57 level already with lots of 58 to 60 stuff and later added
14:24:24 <frg> I would not worry about the version number.
14:24:39 <WG9s> that might be a good idea if we change the major version to 3 then easier to change the monor version to match the gecko version
14:25:05 <Maniel> WG9s: Boy, oh, Boy, do I wish I could contribute .... but as I finished programming back in Win98/ 8086 times, I'm not sure I'd be much use, Walt!!
14:25:05 <WG9s> so instead of 2.57 call it 3.60
14:26:45 <frg> Maniel well I did PL/I most of my work life.
14:27:04 <IanN> rewrite in Forth?
14:27:14 <IanN> or Fortran?
14:27:17 <WG9s> I did Fortran Cobol and assembly language most of my life
14:28:05 <frg> Anyway it is easier to go with 2.53 and keep 2.57 as a number around for later. Everything is already set up for it. 2.57 would not help with current compatibility problems. All much later stuff.
14:28:24 <frg> And so much functionality trashed.
14:28:33 <njsg> at this point, the version number says kind of where it started. can't be said to be at firefox 56 level, even if that's still one of the versions to keep in mind when doing some testing
14:28:35 <WG9s> where were we on the agenda?
14:28:40 <Maniel> And, being real 'picky picky', when you do release a Ver 3.1, don't call it 3.1 but 3.01, so when you get up to Ver 3.11, sites would know that it's newer than a Ver 3.2 program!! ;-)
14:29:10 <rsx11m> Maniel: we are at Gecko 101 by now ;-)
14:29:10 <WaltS48> Maniel: I wouldn't be much help, never having done any programming.
14:29:23 <WG9s> so if want to use gecko version should be 3.060
14:29:33 <WG9s> becuase gecko is into 3 digits now
14:29:37 <IanN> WG9s: I was just about say that
14:29:48 <IanN> Extension Tracking
14:29:58 <IanN> Extensions Tracking
14:30:19 <frg> We are at release. 2.53.12x is basically cooked. 2.53.13 will have the optional chaning stuff in. I am on backporting the new regexp to it from Waaterfox. Slow go.
14:31:28 <frg> github polyfill is now at 1.2.18.2 I think. Thanks to regexp breakage.
14:31:54 <frg> Update is still 2.18.1
14:32:22 <IanN> https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases/download/1.2.18/github-wc-polyfill-1.2.18.2.xpi
14:34:09 <frg> Only a 100 patches and a few more and this regexp problem will be hopefully gone.
14:34:14 <IanN> 2.Next, Feature List, Planning, Roundtable
14:35:20 <frg> As stated backporting stuff.
14:35:51 <IanN> digging into this, that and the other
14:36:07 <frg> 2 weeks left and then I start in the new job so hope I can finish something by then. Doubt I have this much time afterwards.
14:36:16 <WG9s> for roundtable as I said before as soon as I get my income taxes done and filed I am goin to try to get an irc log server runing with an actually trusted by the work certificate
14:36:33 <rsx11m> well, it's due tomorrow I guess
14:36:35 <WG9s> world not work
14:36:44 <rsx11m> or 4868 is your friend
14:37:04 <WG9s> in masschusetts tomorrow is a holiday so I think i get an extra day
14:37:07 <frg> Myckel is backporting build patches to make Python 3 the default.
14:37:45 <rsx11m> eh, I'm living in the wrong state ;-)
14:37:53 <frg> Given that comm-central builds fine it will not need additional stuff in suite.
14:38:01 <IanN> well done to Myckel
14:38:10 <WG9s> Oh and oddly in maine also because maine was origianlly part of Massachusetts
14:38:19 <WG9s> tomorrow is Patriots Day
14:38:38 <WG9s> hs to do with the ride of Paul revere thing
14:39:14 * rsx11m needs to brush up on history
14:39:30 <frg> As a side note mozilla seems to have problems with pontoon syncing. New strings do not show up. Not us only.
14:39:41 <WG9s> LISTEN, my children, and you shall hear
14:39:43 <WG9s> Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
14:39:45 <WG9s> On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
14:39:46 <WG9s> Hardly a man is now alive
14:39:48 <WG9s> Who remembers that famous day and year.
14:39:53 <frg> We already needed to work around it in 2.53.12b1
14:39:57 <tonymec> this side of the pond tomorrow is just plain Easter Monday and many countries (including mine) have that as a holiday.
14:40:20 <rsx11m> tonymec: US isn't a good place for religious holidays
14:40:23 <frg> Can we banter later and focus
14:40:31 <IanN> yes sir :)
14:40:35 <rsx11m> oops
14:41:04 <IanN> frg: yeah, I have checked and TB and FF also have the issue
14:41:18 * WG9s thinks someone wants to go to pinball
14:41:24 <IanN> frg: I presume whoever is tasked with doing the work is on holiday
14:41:52 <IanN> frg: or they have left and someone else is yet to be assigned the work
14:41:53 <frg> Last l10n sync happened 04/02 so 2 weeks:
14:41:54 <frg> https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/gecko-strings-quarantine/
14:42:14 <frg> https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/gecko-strings
14:42:28 <IanN> frg: or the robots have gone on strike
14:42:42 <WG9s> is it close to a release time? they freeze strings when trying to get a release out
14:43:07 <frg> WG9s no different. The strings are always synced.
14:43:15 <IanN> WG9s: they released about 2 weeks ago
14:43:27 <IanN> WG9s: next one is early May (I think)
14:43:28 <WG9s> probably not then
14:43:54 <WG9s> wonder if stuss is just bloken like why I cannot log into firefox sync
14:44:33 <WG9s> anyway back to the agenda
14:45:00 <IanN> AOB
14:45:52 <IanN> Next meeting - I am away with no internet connection in 2 weeks
14:46:07 <IanN> (or very limited)
14:46:11 <frg> Well for 2.53.12 it will not matter. Some languages could use some help. fr it nl pl ja* I think.
14:46:41 <frg> We can move to a week later. Would be ok for me.
14:46:45 <rsx11m> shall we move form May 1st to May 8th?
14:47:06 <IanN> 8th is good for me
14:47:19 <WaltS48> May 8th is Mother's Day
14:47:48 <njsg> 8th would be good for me too
14:47:52 <IanN> it was on 27th March in the UK
14:48:09 <rsx11m> not an official holiday anyway
14:49:30 <WG9s> My 8th is ok with me
14:49:40 <IanN> sounds like a plan then :)
14:49:46 <rsx11m> so, May 8th it is
14:50:17 <tonymec> so, 1½ fortnight this once ;-)
14:50:36 <WG9s> I do have freinds doing a CD release party but no date announced so i might not be there but then, might that not be a good thing?
14:51:01 <IanN> okay, thanks for your time today
14:51:15 <IanN> next meeting in 3 weeks, same bat channel, same bat time
14:51:16 <WG9s> Thank you IanN
14:52:24 <rsx11m> bye!
14:52:37 <frg> see you. Still around.
14:53:55 <WG9s> OH and for those of you whi don't understand the same bat channel same bat time thing.  Bat Man was the first TV show done in the US where it was always a 2 part episode on 2 consecutive nights every week so at the end of part 1 was always "Tune in tomorrow same Bat channel Same Bat time"!
14:56:30 <tonymec> WG9s: oh, that's what it is. What I'd been told was: it's his bat, ball and backyard so it's his rules too.
14:59:55 <WG9s> tonymec|away: but his rules on meeting time changed it form beeing same time UTC year round to being 3PM his time year round I call theis IanN standard time.
15:00:23 <WG9s> but I put the calendar entry in saying it was 3PM london time and that seems to work for me.
15:01:02 <WG9s> becuase here in the startes we don;t comply with the EU standard for summertime
15:02:09 <WG9s> we have legistaors who have no clue we change way too early in the spring and have kids waiting for the school buss in the dark making it more liekly an errant driver might hit them.
15:03:42 <WG9s> I the fall is even stupider they got an odd idea better to keep it lighter for Halloween but the kids refuse to go tick or treating until it is dark so this is just bain damaged out of touch politicians.
17:20:03 <NewTobinParadigm> 3 hours late but as an addendum to the status meeting.. I am providing mxr-style Cross-Reference resource for c-c and m-c as well as seamonkey 2.53 latest either beta branch or release at http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/
19:02:13 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/df5aca3bde8c1baddae207bc3e89d196451d8747
19:03:39 <NewTobinParadigm> may be something SM users will apprciate as well
19:04:02 <NewTobinParadigm> I know many users wanted it for Pale Moon but Moonchild said no..
20:23:56 <frg_Away> Might need to be async in 2.53 but as long as it is fire and forget can be taken: PlacesUtils.favicons.expireAllFavicons();
20:23:58 <frg_Away> https://searchfox.org/mozilla-esr60/source/browser/base/content/test/favicons/browser_favicon_load.js#43
20:23:59 <frg_Away> Not sure we have the PlacesUtils function already but this is an easy pick and maybe a bit more futureproof.
20:28:00 <tomman> an "expire favicons" button? I... think I have an usecase for that
20:28:12 <tomman> for example, I know of a forum which has its own favicon
20:28:25 <tomman> but after some time, SM instead uses the icon of the root site
20:28:39 <tomman> (the forum is hosted under /board/)
20:29:15 <tomman> ---uses the icon of the root site for the boookmarks bar
20:29:33 <tomman> the favicon on the URL bar is always correct, tho
20:30:09 <frg_Away> Fastest way is just to blow away favicons.sqlite when SeaMonkey is not running.
20:30:27 <frg_Away> tomman did you try 2.53.13b1 pre yet? Does it help a bit with some sites?
20:30:43 <tomman> frg_Away: been doing some cleaning here, haven't had the chance
20:30:49 <tomman> but I think I'll be able to test tonight
20:31:11 <tomman> oh, add to the list of "nullish coalescing operator" sites: Steam
20:32:11 <frg_Away> tomman This one is in 2.53.12b1 already
21:34:32 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: i am accessing an xpidl interface in the patch..
21:35:03 <NewTobinParadigm> does your tree no longer have it?
21:35:48 <frg_Away> New yes it is still there in 2.53. PlacesUtils might be a bit faster.
21:36:03 <NewTobinParadigm> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/source/mozilla/toolkit/components/places/nsIFaviconService.idl#48
21:36:48 <NewTobinParadigm> i don't think placesutils has it exposed
21:37:24 <NewTobinParadigm> no need to overcomplicate it
21:41:54 <NewTobinParadigm> might be interested in my media panel since i stole the concept from you :P
21:41:55 <NewTobinParadigm> http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/aura-central/source/apps/navigator/components/preferences/content/pref-media.xul
21:42:42 <NewTobinParadigm> i merged pref-images into it just because it seemed good to have image shit with image shit PLUS video shit
21:42:54 <NewTobinParadigm> up to you but that is what I did
21:44:24 <NewTobinParadigm> http://personal.mattatobin.com/image/capture/1f8f229b-0b10-4bf8-a4e6-49456a9971a9.jpg
21:45:06 <NewTobinParadigm> btw do you have prefers color scheme?
21:46:37 <NewTobinParadigm> https://code.binaryoutcast.com/projects/aura-central/commit/dffd20dd678714a53548cbc6caab9547662f7215
21:46:56 <frg_Away> Yes IanN and I did some shuffling around some time ago. I am not sure if enabling disabling specific formats make sense.
21:47:47 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: well if you are still only libaom and not libdav1d then you should offer a way to disable av1 because it CAN be buggy but mostly performance hindered
21:48:04 <NewTobinParadigm> but yeah it may not be VERY useful but could be
21:48:10 <frg_Away> I think prefers-color-scheme is in Waterfox classic. I am solwly going thru the stuff there.
21:48:37 <frg_Away> ^slowly
21:49:09 <NewTobinParadigm> for the privacy nutbars add a disable for it but warn them like i did
21:49:31 <NewTobinParadigm> just seeing what might halp
21:49:34 <NewTobinParadigm> you know
21:49:37 <frg_Away> AV1 and aom are both enabled.
21:49:58 <NewTobinParadigm> if it is JUST aom you might want a gui pref
21:50:09 <NewTobinParadigm> if it is dav1d and aom then not so much
21:51:35 <frg_Away> yeah appreciate it. I just try to backport the whole chain. Not because I like the mozilla code best but if you take bits and pieces there you end up with more trouble  later. For suite itself it is different. 2.53 is basically what is in comm-central.
21:53:34 <NewTobinParadigm> frg_Away: what is the point in backporting the whole chain if you are soley following mozprogression
21:53:41 <NewTobinParadigm> won't you end up at the same place?
21:54:09 <NewTobinParadigm> also Mozilla's impl for this css feature was bullshit
21:54:14 <NewTobinParadigm> and part stylo
21:59:00 <frg_Away> So far it worked out. And yes if you take all you can toss it and just call it ChromeMonkey. But css and media is mostly ok. Hard parts are the parser and js. I am backporting as much of stylo as possible to eventually enable it. And not I don't like rust any better than you. Just don't see a chance. If the wind starts to blow in a different direction in the future happy to rip it out.
23:41:29 <NewTobinParadigm> css stuff will ONLY get you so far without dealing with rusticles
23:41:36 <NewTobinParadigm> frg
23:42:13 <NewTobinParadigm> some patches you luck out and it is a complete impl on both others it LOOKS like a complete impl on both but it is barely more than a stub on the nsLayout side
23:42:29 <NewTobinParadigm> emilio is the single most destructive force when it comes to nsLayout
23:42:45 <NewTobinParadigm> I would beat the shit out of him for what he has done if I ever met him
23:55:36 <vord[m]> <NewTobinParadigm> "I would beat the shit out of him..." <- what did emilio do to nsLayout? Did it become worse? just curious
23:55:54 <NewTobinParadigm> rust
23:56:03 <NewTobinParadigm> and incomplete shit on the nsLayout side
23:56:12 <NewTobinParadigm> obfuscation of that fact as well
23:56:40 <NewTobinParadigm> he should be court marshaled, shot, and sent to the russian front
23:57:15 <vord[m]> for real? its that bad?
23:57:30 <NewTobinParadigm> kinda ye