NewTobinParadigm: that was actually ment to be a pm to scops

NewTobinParadigm: repos are the ones listed on gitlab for the SeaMonkey releases, My builds have stuff not really in a repo anywhere just using a patch queue on top of a published repo

I do post the patch queue on my website

my page here wg9s.com/comm-253 douments the repo to use and then the also a zip file with the patch queues

i also post the latest source at ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-253-source

this is the source for the latest nightly

that is the source file from the repos stated and the patch ques also referenced having been applied

It is only updated if the Linux macOSX and WIndows builds suceed.

if any of them fail the new source is not posted.

Hello!

Status meeting in 29 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17

Hello, and to those who feast it: Happy Easter!

tonymec happy easter bunny

frg: :-)

tonymec found all the eggs yet?

frg: I live alone, hiding eggs to find them back myself is no fun. Rather than hard-boile eggs, I made an omelet.

Hi WaltS48

Hi frg

hi .*

Hi njsg

hi WaltS48 and happy arch-April equinox

s/arch/March

Hi tonymec

And always remember you canÄt make an omlett without breaking some eggs.

:-D

Status meeting in 14 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17

Hi everyone who is here for the meeting

I just lurk. :) Hi WG9s

i WaltS48

IanN and Maniel

WaltS48: if you participate you feer you might get tasks assigned to you?

good day to you WaltS48

hi WG9s

Hi tonymec

WG9s: I couldn't do any tasks.

WaltS48 is on coffee making duties

Meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17

Greeting time

rsx11m has the biscuits, need to wait for him

might have to delay the biscuit eating

IanN did he say he could not make it last time?

frg: cannot remember

Who's taking minutes?

hi rsx11m

me

hi *

rsx11m: easter egg hunt completed?

thanks frg

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

yepp, took a little longer than expected :-D

well except for us eastern orthodox christion, for whom Easter is next week!

Hi rsx11m

Nomnate buc for Optional chaining backports. Still need some cleanups but at least it works and unbreaks lot of sites.

seconded

Action Items

Nothing new. busy with current stuff

all BAU

Once I get my income tax filed I might go back to trying to provide irc logs on a server with a vlid certificate

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

ewong is busy so nothing new here. Builders are fine.

BTW speaking of infrastucture and not ours is anyone else having issues trying to connect to the Mozilla sync server?

says i am giving it the worng password and when I click on alything to reset the passwork I get a 500 server failed.

sorry, not tried

not using it ...

me neither

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

could be my summer home laptops just have the wrong password and I really don;t know what the current one is, but the reset my passord link should be getting a 500 error so would seem there is some mozilla issue with the sync service

file a bug ;-)

well current mozilla-central/comm=central still builds using the patches on or gitlab patch queues

All building I think and hopefully central too.

yes

Release Train

2.53.12b1 is ready for release

;-)

Seems macOS Monterey has a problem with fullscreen but not a new one. Don't try to switch to it using the gree dot in the titlebar. Not a new problem.

never use the green dot!

I alwats thought the choice was red or blue...

*always

I only remeber the blue dot. back in the day with flash cameras Sylvaina flsh bulbs had a blue dot and it ws alwys trust the blue dot.

Can I ask .... Last I read, there were some serious probs with the 2.57 Alpha/Beta/Release. Is that still the case .... and, if so, could the "hoped for" advances be backed-off a bit so a new, advanced, release be produced rather than going deeper and deeper into the 2.53 line??

2.53.12 should be out in a few weeks

Hopefully sooner.

Additionally, if the 2.57 release is going to be seriously different to 2.53, ..... might it be time to go to Version 3.x ??

Maniel: looking for more people to work on 2.57 Did you just volunteer?

Maniel It is easier to backport stuff to 2.53 and it has lots of stuff for later versions now. Basically it is at 57 level already with lots of 58 to 60 stuff and later added

I would not worry about the version number.

that might be a good idea if we change the major version to 3 then easier to change the monor version to match the gecko version

WG9s: Boy, oh, Boy, do I wish I could contribute .... but as I finished programming back in Win98/ 8086 times, I'm not sure I'd be much use, Walt!!

so instead of 2.57 call it 3.60

Maniel well I did PL/I most of my work life.

rewrite in Forth?

or Fortran?

I did Fortran Cobol and assembly language most of my life

Anyway it is easier to go with 2.53 and keep 2.57 as a number around for later. Everything is already set up for it. 2.57 would not help with current compatibility problems. All much later stuff.

And so much functionality trashed.

at this point, the version number says kind of where it started. can't be said to be at firefox 56 level, even if that's still one of the versions to keep in mind when doing some testing

where were we on the agenda?

And, being real 'picky picky', when you do release a Ver 3.1, don't call it 3.1 but 3.01, so when you get up to Ver 3.11, sites would know that it's newer than a Ver 3.2 program!! ;-)

Maniel: we are at Gecko 101 by now ;-)

Maniel: I wouldn't be much help, never having done any programming.

so if want to use gecko version should be 3.060

becuase gecko is into 3 digits now

WG9s: I was just about say that

Extension Tracking

Extensions Tracking

We are at release. 2.53.12x is basically cooked. 2.53.13 will have the optional chaning stuff in. I am on backporting the new regexp to it from Waaterfox. Slow go.

github polyfill is now at 1.2.18.2 I think. Thanks to regexp breakage.

Update is still 2.18.1

Only a 100 patches and a few more and this regexp problem will be hopefully gone.

2.Next, Feature List, Planning, Roundtable

As stated backporting stuff.

digging into this, that and the other

2 weeks left and then I start in the new job so hope I can finish something by then. Doubt I have this much time afterwards.

for roundtable as I said before as soon as I get my income taxes done and filed I am goin to try to get an irc log server runing with an actually trusted by the work certificate

well, it's due tomorrow I guess

world not work

or 4868 is your friend

in masschusetts tomorrow is a holiday so I think i get an extra day

Myckel is backporting build patches to make Python 3 the default.

eh, I'm living in the wrong state ;-)

Given that comm-central builds fine it will not need additional stuff in suite.

well done to Myckel

Oh and oddly in maine also because maine was origianlly part of Massachusetts

tomorrow is Patriots Day

hs to do with the ride of Paul revere thing

As a side note mozilla seems to have problems with pontoon syncing. New strings do not show up. Not us only.

LISTEN, my children, and you shall hear

Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,

On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;

Hardly a man is now alive

Who remembers that famous day and year.

We already needed to work around it in 2.53.12b1

this side of the pond tomorrow is just plain Easter Monday and many countries (including mine) have that as a holiday.

tonymec: US isn't a good place for religious holidays

Can we banter later and focus

yes sir :)

oops

frg: yeah, I have checked and TB and FF also have the issue

frg: I presume whoever is tasked with doing the work is on holiday

frg: or they have left and someone else is yet to be assigned the work

Last l10n sync happened 04/02 so 2 weeks:

frg: or the robots have gone on strike

is it close to a release time? they freeze strings when trying to get a release out

WG9s no different. The strings are always synced.

WG9s: they released about 2 weeks ago

WG9s: next one is early May (I think)

probably not then

wonder if stuss is just bloken like why I cannot log into firefox sync

anyway back to the agenda

AOB

Next meeting - I am away with no internet connection in 2 weeks

(or very limited)

Well for 2.53.12 it will not matter. Some languages could use some help. fr it nl pl ja* I think.

We can move to a week later. Would be ok for me.

shall we move form May 1st to May 8th?

8th is good for me

May 8th is Mother's Day

8th would be good for me too

it was on 27th March in the UK

not an official holiday anyway

My 8th is ok with me

sounds like a plan then :)

so, May 8th it is

so, 1½ fortnight this once ;-)

I do have freinds doing a CD release party but no date announced so i might not be there but then, might that not be a good thing?

okay, thanks for your time today

next meeting in 3 weeks, same bat channel, same bat time

Thank you IanN

bye!

see you. Still around.

OH and for those of you whi don't understand the same bat channel same bat time thing. Bat Man was the first TV show done in the US where it was always a 2 part episode on 2 consecutive nights every week so at the end of part 1 was always "Tune in tomorrow same Bat channel Same Bat time"!

WG9s: oh, that's what it is. What I'd been told was: it's his bat, ball and backyard so it's his rules too.

tonymec|away: but his rules on meeting time changed it form beeing same time UTC year round to being 3PM his time year round I call theis IanN standard time.

but I put the calendar entry in saying it was 3PM london time and that seems to work for me.

becuase here in the startes we don;t comply with the EU standard for summertime

we have legistaors who have no clue we change way too early in the spring and have kids waiting for the school buss in the dark making it more liekly an errant driver might hit them.

I the fall is even stupider they got an odd idea better to keep it lighter for Halloween but the kids refuse to go tick or treating until it is dark so this is just bain damaged out of touch politicians.

3 hours late but as an addendum to the status meeting.. I am providing mxr-style Cross-Reference resource for c-c and m-c as well as seamonkey 2.53 latest either beta branch or release at xr.binaryoutcast.com

may be something SM users will apprciate as well

I know many users wanted it for Pale Moon but Moonchild said no..

Might need to be async in 2.53 but as long as it is fire and forget can be taken: PlacesUtils.favicons.expireAllFavicons();

Not sure we have the PlacesUtils function already but this is an easy pick and maybe a bit more futureproof.

an "expire favicons" button? I... think I have an usecase for that

for example, I know of a forum which has its own favicon

but after some time, SM instead uses the icon of the root site

(the forum is hosted under /board/)

---uses the icon of the root site for the boookmarks bar

the favicon on the URL bar is always correct, tho

Fastest way is just to blow away favicons.sqlite when SeaMonkey is not running.

tomman did you try 2.53.13b1 pre yet? Does it help a bit with some sites?

frg_Away: been doing some cleaning here, haven't had the chance

but I think I'll be able to test tonight

oh, add to the list of "nullish coalescing operator" sites: Steam

tomman This one is in 2.53.12b1 already

frg_Away: i am accessing an xpidl interface in the patch..

does your tree no longer have it?

New yes it is still there in 2.53. PlacesUtils might be a bit faster.

i don't think placesutils has it exposed

no need to overcomplicate it

might be interested in my media panel since i stole the concept from you :P

i merged pref-images into it just because it seemed good to have image shit with image shit PLUS video shit

up to you but that is what I did

btw do you have prefers color scheme?

Yes IanN and I did some shuffling around some time ago. I am not sure if enabling disabling specific formats make sense.

frg_Away: well if you are still only libaom and not libdav1d then you should offer a way to disable av1 because it CAN be buggy but mostly performance hindered

but yeah it may not be VERY useful but could be

I think prefers-color-scheme is in Waterfox classic. I am solwly going thru the stuff there.

^slowly

for the privacy nutbars add a disable for it but warn them like i did

just seeing what might halp

you know

AV1 and aom are both enabled.

if it is JUST aom you might want a gui pref

if it is dav1d and aom then not so much

yeah appreciate it. I just try to backport the whole chain. Not because I like the mozilla code best but if you take bits and pieces there you end up with more trouble later. For suite itself it is different. 2.53 is basically what is in comm-central.

frg_Away: what is the point in backporting the whole chain if you are soley following mozprogression

won't you end up at the same place?

also Mozilla's impl for this css feature was bullshit

and part stylo

So far it worked out. And yes if you take all you can toss it and just call it ChromeMonkey. But css and media is mostly ok. Hard parts are the parser and js. I am backporting as much of stylo as possible to eventually enable it. And not I don't like rust any better than you. Just don't see a chance. If the wind starts to blow in a different direction in the future happy to rip it out.

css stuff will ONLY get you so far without dealing with rusticles

frg

some patches you luck out and it is a complete impl on both others it LOOKS like a complete impl on both but it is barely more than a stub on the nsLayout side

emilio is the single most destructive force when it comes to nsLayout

I would beat the shit out of him for what he has done if I ever met him

<NewTobinParadigm> "I would beat the shit out of him..." <- what did emilio do to nsLayout? Did it become worse? just curious

rust

and incomplete shit on the nsLayout side

obfuscation of that fact as well

he should be court marshaled, shot, and sent to the russian front

for real? its that bad?

kinda ye