11:22:00 WTF GOOGL 11:22:25 they're going to cut off access to "unsafe applications" like... our email clients that don't do the supasekret Google challenge? 11:22:29 (aka Log In With Google) 11:22:52 starting May 30th 11:22:57 how screwed up is SeaMonkey? 11:23:31 and yes, that's what I get by letting the Putin of software to host my email :/ 11:24:31 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255 11:26:39 no, I refuse to do 2FA for Google, that involves SMS that fail to arrive, or... activating an Android device 11:26:42 OH HELL NO 11:32:11 And of course I can't give negative feedback because the page uses named capture groups: /[^\p{Letter}\s_-]/ug,"" 11:32:13 GOOGLE!!!! 11:33:37 ...that regex also breaks their community forums, rendering posts unreadable because of cascading JS failures 12:17:53 I wonder if "application passwords" require 2FA 12:18:09 it's sad if it does, otherwise it might be a workaround 12:20:05 njsg: I don't think so from what I read 12:22:15 application passwords seem to require 2FA, at least for creating them 12:22:34 I guess I've got two months to migrate 15 years of my life off Google :/ 12:22:41 but... to nowhere? 12:23:04 it will be oh-so-much fun to go to banks (AGAIN) and change emails in the middle of a pandemic 12:24:38 (particularly when many banks are closing their local branches, and changing email/phone numbers CAN'T be done online or over the phone for most banks here due to regulations) 12:25:32 tomman This might just be the enforcement of oauth 2 which should work. If not they can pound sand for all I care. 12:43:17 tomman I have not gotten a message for the one test account I use for testing only but think this sums it up: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14918891#p14918891 12:46:49 Needs NoScript and uBlock to be turned off temporarily until you signed in and saved the generated passcode or whatever. Remember passwords need to be on or you will need to repeat this every time for sign in. Basically a callback is called which opens a google.com popup window . 12:47:40 And the idea that data is secure with google is not something I would support :) 12:48:55 Yeah, I'd say relying on google ends up being a mistake. That's my experience, at least. 13:32:44 Cannot login, cannot register under new email address 13:36:36 Your product crashes too often on Windows 7. O, hell! 13:50:14 I'd ask login, register *where*... 18:58:42 OK, so I would need to setup OAuth2 to keep using GMail with SM... 18:59:15 1) what's the minimal required version for it? (as in: will I finally have a excuse to move my email off my ancient 2.49.5 XP setup?) 19:00:00 2) I see instructions for Thunderbird only... 19:00:40 ...nevermind, 2.49.5 doesn't do OAuth2 19:01:07 welp, this means that it's finally time to move on, and it's unlikely I can fully ditch El Google as much as I want 19:02:08 I now need to remember how to move out my mailboxes and share them between Windows and Linux 20:12:10 well, shoot myself 20:12:50 ended enabling 2FA over SMS (thankfully SIMswap hijacks are not of concern here as our telcos charge $10 for a SIM swap which must be done IN PERSON and with fingerprints) 20:13:04 plus, printing additional security codes for emergencies (OK, that's nice) 20:13:15 and generating an app-specific password for SM 20:13:38 this feels even better than my banks /sarcasm 20:44:16 wonder if Google will work with my Eudora? 21:25:54 ...and now Google is complaining about my app-specific password because OMGUNSAFEDANGERMINESWORLDWARIII 21:25:59 give me a break, Alphabet! 21:26:43 I can imagine next year's warning: "GoogleAuth™ for the GoogleNet™ OR ELSE!" 21:27:14 (well, assuming there will be a new year next year, given the current state of affairs...) 23:36:00 topic could do with a slight fix " Beta 2.53.11b1 " since thats out stable, no need to say its still a Beta