00:16:40 oh god KaiOS 00:16:53 to set a custom ringtone, I have to install... a file explorer app from the store 00:17:01 WHY 00:18:30 and of course, I can't preview tones that way 00:18:57 once again, even lowly Motorolas and Nokias from 2005 could easily do it 00:19:02 oh reminds me of S40 00:19:20 S40 was non-nonsense 00:19:20 I think you had to have some ringtone to set a vibrating alarm 00:19:37 it has no option to just vibrate 00:19:59 cue to me having an empty (as in no sound) mp3 file in the memory card... 00:20:50 It looks like whoever designed the KaiOS settings app has never used a cellphone in their lives 00:20:57 but then, I could say the same from Android 00:21:30 wait, android is for cellphones? you say that like it's supposed to excel at stuff like phone calls and texts 00:21:45 * njsg notices his blood sarcasm level 00:22:19 phone calls? texts? that's for, like, dinosaurs! 00:49:55 ...and the store broke again because the browser broke again 00:51:55 let me guess, the store is actually a webpage loaded in the browser? 00:57:08 and the maps app... is a webpage 00:57:14 and the file browser... is a wepage 00:57:26 and the contacts app... is a webpage 00:57:43 and... I managed to break the browser, AGAIN 00:57:57 the phone just stops sending/receiving data, requiring a powercycle 00:58:58 I think I'm noticing a pattern here 00:59:38 todays linux firefox nightly works very badly 01:00:15 i have to manually open things on a new tab to be able to buy anything 01:00:55 ....ok, actually cycling WiFi off then on "unstucks" the omnibrowser 01:01:23 i guess it is harder to be scammed if it prevents you from buying anythinf 01:01:28 anything 01:01:35 security theater at its finest 01:11:00 And... a buggy app can lock you out of the UI, without any way to return to the homescreen OR even turn off/reboot the phone 01:11:50 KaiOS made terrible mistakes that no other cellphone platform in existence (from old proprietary dumbphone junk all the way up to iOS/Android) EVER made 01:13:24 lol sounds fun tomman 01:13:50 also i hate apps that peg cpu to 100% without any indication of what is causing the cpu peg 01:14:14 I have spent like 6 hours with this phone, and I already want to commit arson 01:14:21 this is a new record 01:14:23 not even Android 01:14:37 not even old LG dumbphones or anything with Verizon firmware 01:14:50 old phones had fantastic battery life 01:14:57 apps did 1 thing and 1 thing only 01:14:58 not even very early Mediatek dumbphones which were absolute garbage 01:15:17 KaiOS, You Only Had. One. Job! 01:23:22 well, at least they didn't screwed up wallpaper setup 01:24:12 ...except that the default homescreen font is white with a very thin shadow, and my favorite dumbphone wallpaper (which I've been using since 2006) is... yellow-ish with other bright colors 01:24:24 so the homescreen text is now unreadable 01:24:26 yay 01:24:43 no way to customize that because screw accesibility 01:24:49 please tell me FirefoxOS wasn't THAT bad 01:29:25 well not that bad. what was bad as the idea that Firefox would be able to compete with Android and IOS phones 01:32:36 so nothing really wrong with FirefoxOS other than zero market place for it. 01:37:02 In the day I had a ZTE Firefox phone but no real differentiator between that an an Android phone and way not mainstream 01:37:46 and an Android ... 14:57:09 OK, finally got the GPS working on KusogeOS, er, KaiOS 14:57:25 turns out that this phone simply has a weak GPS receiver 14:57:28 so I had to go outside 22:10:54 could it be it doesn't rely on the mobile data location information? 23:31:35 do modern cellphones even bother using A-GPS these days? 23:32:07 even dumbphones have a legit GPS receiver, and mobile data location can be unreliable 23:33:04 also, fun fact: since KaiOS 2.5 (my phone runs KaiOS 2.5.1.1) is based off FF48, it means no website using Let's Encrypt will open on it 23:33:15 that's the source of those scary expired issuer cert warnings 23:33:52 and of course neither OEMs nor KaiOS have a solution for that, other than KaiOS 3... which will never happen for 99% of the devices out there 23:34:01 sounds familiar? 23:34:52 Android doesn't care about expired roots, but Firefox is very strict on that, but on cellphones it means you've got no choice but to suck it up 23:35:11 I think at least one of the technologies used for mobile data-based location information is meant to hide the fact that the actual gps fix takes some time to be acquired 23:36:57 or are there gps receivers that work well enough that this is not needed at all?