awesome, found another site breaking due to regex capture groups: Gumroad

for example: geewhy.gumroad.com (WARNING: content potentially NSFW!)

our good old friend "SyntaxError: invalid regexp group" rears its ugly face again

the failing regex (buried in a million-char single-liner: x=/^```(?<language>[a-z]*)?[\s\n]$/,C=/^~~~(?<language>[a-z]*)?[\s\n]$/

...I get that named capture groups are nice, but why even bother using them on such simple regexes!?

they make sense on complex regexes with many capture groups, but if you only have ONE group, why bother naming it?!

"I got a shiny new hammer..."

I stopped hitting sites with Web Components, instead it seems named capture groups have become my nemesis :/

I wonder what's about these regex features, that they're suddenly spreading so faster

is there a small number of libraries or frameworks that got this and that are responsible for most of the breakage, or did this get mentioned in some popular news/discussion site?

whats the benefits?

is it just to spite alternative browsers like pale moon and seamonkey?

probably a bit of people who don't conceive other people can and do use browsers other than the browser/group-of-browsers they're using, and a bit of spite, and also not knowing better

apparently that you can serve information using HTML might be a surprise to some

njsg: I blame frameworks and devs looking for fancyness

50/50

once again, I get that named capture groups CAN be useful... on complex regexes

I would question the use of client-side regexes on JS, but that's another can of worms

but using named capture groups on TRIVIAL regexes with a single capture group at most? That screams of "hey, I'm fancy", rather than "hey, I'm using a useful tool"

in the case of emoji regexes... yeah, 100% frameworks on that (also: emojis are another questionable feature, but I can go ranting on those for hours and hours...)

tomman will be fixed. Just need some peace and qiet which didn't happen yet. Wanted to do some parser updates first.

tomman: you keep saying the right things dude.. why are you hanging out here lol

I used to say stuff like that and people started sending me death threats

nd obin si so afraid to see reponses is post and hide.

And Tobin si so afraid to see responses is post and hide.

NewTobinParadigm: I've got my interests, thanks but no thanks

WG9s: sorry I was making my second trip to the store

NewTobinParadigm: sorry also I think I should expalin my issue I don;t care if you are here suggesting to someone where running PaleMoon might resovle there issue.

I'm not

I haven't mentioned Pale Moon specifically for some time

I am rather over trying to convert people

WG9s: thing is I think I am missing part of the conversation

are you trying to send me private messages?

well converting people is not what you shuold have never been doing should have been a we have something more related to origianl idea of firefox nto a kitchen sink solution but a browser only to be more lightweight and borwser only.

cause I ain't getting them due to issues with spam

so i have all queries on ignore

and perhaops this would do what you want

my issue is you are on what is supposed to be the SeaMOnkey support IRDC channel and just trying to convert people. I don;t find that appropiate.

I'm not though

i haven't for some time

as I said

as a matter of record.. I don't even USE Pale Moon and haven't since early 2019

well maybe mid 2019

I have my own web client that might one day get released

No problem if you point people to runnign PaleMoon if it actuallhy fixes there issue (and not sure if frg agrees with me there) but why are you on this channel theese people are assholes is the kind of attitude I have an sissue with.

I DON'T USE PALE MOON AND I AM NOT OUT TO CONVERT PEOPLE ANYMORE

I was just talking

like I have done for the past 12 years

way before YOU ever showed up.

so stop accusing me of shit I ain't doing

if you have a different client and it is not pale moon still same thing if it solves their issue that is great but don;t need the Donald Turmp type attitude that only you can solve their problem.

solves what issue

what issue am i suggesting something to solve

i merely said words cause I like what tomman has been saying for the past few months

and SOME of it I have said and caught shit for in this very channel .. other stuff i has said elsewhere and for that crime i get occasional death threats

I can find but was like why are you onl this channel these people will never listen to you type thing

Ok if you want to communicate in complete thoughts let me know.

else calm down

please

but we need people with a different point of view just try not to be so adversarial

you mwould go farther

to whom am I being adversarial with aside from occasionally frg

we have people (even me) who compalin about what is being done but can do it in a more constructive way and adcgtullay get things done

I think you guys have painted yourself into a lonely corner with no hope of escape

not with anything intact

well you are in a lonely corner whare you no longer have access to our patch queue

according to the orginal core mission statement of this project

I can see every change you guys have made

most of it is either shitting up the application code to follow mozilla or thunderbird and the rest is crap I'd never due and contradicts the core mission statement

so you need to calm down and be more willing to cooperate than just being an asshole

but I stopped largely mentioning that

I wish the others were still here and in charge

especially ratty

I miss him greatly

I hope wherever he is he is well

well I stopped working on Firefox at all becuase of issues like this, but we are on your side. just not enough of us to do at as quidkly as you would like. be a bit more patient.

I wish you had joined with us all three times I offered.. I would have bent over backwards for all of you.

d/ignore *tobin*

what an unreasonable personality

welp i guess WG9s is a fuckin cunt

"oh i am ignoring you and blocking you on mah website cause you hurt mah widdle feels"

I have done LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG today.

I love how leftists accuse others of exactly what they are doing.

seeing as I was attacked out of the blue and repeatedly accused of doing shit today I wasn't

dude...

That's probably how we're gonna get to 2.57, take notes everybody.

...

I'm testing my new KaiOS phone

don't need YET another reason to get pissed off today

(yes, the platform is as awful as you can imagine...)

fortunately I'm about to have fun and root this junk :)

tomman wasn't that b2g once?

yup

Why KaiOS though?

and it now survives as a platform for terrible (and not so cheap) dumbphones

I needed a 3G dumbphone

I thought J2ME phones still existed

and this was the cheapest one I could get without beyond abysmal specs

nope

unless you want a 15yo RAZR with a swollen battery

the phone is a Blu Zoey Smart

tl;dr: DON'T BUY THIS PHONE

I like its design though.

Not handy for videos though.

tomman still on my ME45 from Siemens. Who needs 3G :) 3G has been stut down here this year. Glad that I don't need to travel any longer or I whould have needed for a new solution for my Thinkpad X201. All older cards are now only good for the dumpster and need LTE.

I'm using this for upgrading a long-broken RAZR V9

Wammu stopped working with the Great Python 2 Purge™ on Debian 11

and the last piece of software I could use to interact with this thing was... a old Russian app for XP that could only read and send SMS

so I had no option to claim my USB port back and put this old thing to rest

those modern 3G dumbphones are horrible, 2006 Nokias and Motorolas were MUCH snappier and more responsive

but hey, software bloat is our punishment as a bad civilization, I guess

Could have been a Windows Phone.

tomman my ME45 is from 2001 or so. Just needed a new keyboard but otherwise still does the job aka. calling people and be called plus sms only.

my V9 has a broken flex cable, so no video, camera, or audio at all

and replacing the flex cable on it is a PITA because 1) noone sells the cables anymore, and 2) the cable is literally A STICKER that also contains the keyboard, and it's an early example of why I despise the use of glue in electronics

even back when those phones were new, technicians hated to replace broken flex cables, and these were a common failure on many flip phones

on the original V3, replacing a busted flex was easy (there was glue, but minimal), and the actual piece to replace was pretty small

on the V9? HOLY %"$·&·%&·&%$·!

tomman yeah had replace more than one display cable on thinkpads.

2G is still kickin' alive, except that telcos will gladly sell a new SIM card that won't talk to 2G at all :/

oh man, I now need a WebIDE-enabled browser

a vm is your friend.

Or...

> File xulrunner-18.0.2.en-US.linux-x86_64.sdk.tar.bz2 398M 28-Oct-2015 14:52

wtf

gitlab.com/suborg/gdeploy OK, what about this...

> NodeJS (12 LTS or newer should be fine);

NOPE.

I'll take my chances with XULrunner

tomman i have issues with xulrunner can;t find a new enough version tha twill run chatzilla that works with libera.chat new certificates

toman issue is I can not figure out how to add a new trusted root cert.

so can only add a new trusted cert for libera.chat but problem with that is that several different servers for that and each one uses a differente fingerprint so the trust this cert now and for future does not work.

nevermind, ended installing FF59, forgot that my FF profiles are disposable anyway

got root~!

i'm using xulrunner, with cZ, on libera.chat - right now. (granted, all old versions, incl. FF 3.0 as its backend)

SeaMonkey literally has ChatZilla though

yes, but this way, cZ can always remain open. it does. i may not be logged in, but it is open.

the reason i use cZ under xulrunner is that if i am talking to someone on irc about any issue when i have to try a newer (or older) version of the browser my irc conversation does not die because i was not running cZ as a browser add-on.

Fox but then if i need to try a new patch to SeaMonkey I lose the IRC chat I was running with the person helping me. that is kind of the reason I do not run cZ either as an add-on or as built-in to SM

i don;t want my chat to drop while trying to work on a browser or email issue

I don't want my chat built into my browser because i don't want to lose my IRC chat session with the person helping me working on a browser issue.

oh man, KaiOS is HORRIBLE

and of course, I had to buy the worst phone that turned an horrible platform into a weird sort of BDSM

maybe the GPS on this thing will eventually figure out where I am...

tomman: if it is that bad maybe it will let someone else find it an steal it so you can report it stolen and get something better to replace it!

tomman I am an idea man. edible paper!

if you don;t get it watch the movie "Night Shift"!

well, a broken GPS makes this thing A-OK for paranoid nutters

ah no, big telco can still track you

...but then, why would you have a phone?

tomman: isn't KaiOS the one El Reg said even had this feature where you can't remove certain programs?

njsg: You can actually debloat... but only if you root your phone first

tomman: is it easy to root? you said you had root, real root or "security enhanced" root?

I went with this: sites.google.com/view/bananahackers/root/temporary-root

the hardest part is to get an old Firefox version with WebIDE, or figure out how to use any of the CLI replacements for that (that requires either XULRunner... or node.js, of all things!)

lovely, Wikipedia won't load due to an untrusted cert :D

btw, speaking of this kind of phones, if you ever consider a newer Nokia, be careful that Series 30+ is... of a different kind

Android, at least older versions like Gingerbread, could also have apps that cannot be uninstalled

FoxMcCloud45: all Android versions to date are this way

I don't think it does J2ME and IIRC I think it was said usability might be worse

at least starting with Jelly Bean, you can perform user-level uninstall of system-preloaded bloatware via ADB

Android nowadays is probably a good example of Tivoization

(that's what I did with my Alcatel, since there is no root for it)

can't claim back the space on /system partition, but at least Facebook won't spy on you

Isn't Alcatel some Microsoft brand now though?

no, it's licensed by the Chinese TCL

tomman: that is, uninstall the ones it won't let you uninstall, just disable?

njsg: yup

wait, if it doesn't reclaim back the space, is it really gone or just disabled?

the APKs are still there on /system (since you can't modify it with root, and even if you can, you might not want due to SafetyNet and pals)

but the data is gone from /data

short of a full factory reset, you can't use those apps anymore

so for all effects, they're uninstalled

that's nice, I should check it :-)

handy for telco/OEM-preloaded bloatware on those cheapo phones that will never have root

on KaiOS, it seems that if you don't get root, you don't even get a right to debloat

remember, when computers were programmable? :-)

the more I play with this phone, the more I hate it

the browser often refuses to load pages, and shows absolutely NO INDICATION of what's loading

so it's working like a webapp?

but then, it's basically a web browser widget in a web browser

sometimes it even stops loading pages and refuses to do anything until the phone is rebooted

the KaiOS store often has the same problem

even the Weather app softlocks the phone

the GPS doesn't really work

and even as a basic phone, the audio quality on calls is... garbage

I mean, even worse than the very first phones Huawei/Samsung made (and those were BAD)

are you sure it's 3G, btw?

3G, yup

I think the phones I've seen KaiOS on have all been 2G so far, but I did see at least one of these listed as 3G in some sites

it's a Spreadtrum/Unisoc SC7731ef

well, there are even 4G phones, mainly Nokias

but those are made with beefier Qualcomm SoCs (which are actually low-end Snapdragons)

being 2G and not 3G is a shame, given how 3G can have better coverage sometimes

but even then, I guess they're all thinking of getting rid of 3G already

2G here is abysmal, plus new SIMs sold today here will flat out refuse to roam on 2G

well.. 3G and even 4G here are terrible too

fortunately no plans to half-ass 5G yet... outside of political motivations between two communist leaders

and even if there were plans, well, there is no money for that :)

well, video playback actually works fine

the thing can nicely downscale 720p video to its puny QVGA display without breaking a sweat

but then, that comes for free from its basement-tier Spreadtrum chipset

at least on THAT is better than my ol' RAZR :)

I'm afraid of testing the music player...

tomman: are you sure it can do 3G?

mine is roaming on HSDPA right now

I've even set it up for 3G only

I was trying to understand the lists of specs I was finding

as it looked like it could only support a subset of 3G networks

Well, this one does UMTS 850/1900/2100

so basically, American bands

forget about quad/pentaband 3G

well, if it's working in "3G only" mode, then it works. wikipedia has the chip under "2G" for some reason :-D