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Fraser_Bell
Hi. Seamonkey suddenly today is not showing YouTube, just getting a blank page. Tried a fresh profile, still no luck. Anybody know why?
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tomman
Google?
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: bad sniffing by YouTube
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tomman
...works fine here
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IanN_Away
tomman: do you have any useragent exceptions though?
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tomman
I rarely -if ever- use YT, but just loaded some video
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tomman
IanN_Away: not for YouTube
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tomman
but for Google
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: Was working all along, including last night.
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tomman
...and even the Google one is set to FF61
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Fraser_Bell
Ideas how to fix, or ??? Firefox is working fine, but that is not really what I want.
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tomman
Fraser_Bell: are you running any adblocker?
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tomman
or script blocker?
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tomman
oh, you said it doesn't work on a clean profile
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Fraser_Bell
Nothing at all in Seamonkey. Adblockers and so on in Firefox, and it is working just fine.
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: what is your HTTP Networking set to under Advanced in preferences?
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MrMazda
Fraser_Bell: long time no see on IRC
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a-865
Fraser_Bell: long time no see on IRC
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: and what does the User agent string say when you do Help, About SeaMonkey?
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Fraser_Bell
HTTP 1.1
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: sorry I meant the User Agent part of that page
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Fraser_Bell
Identify as Seamonkey is currently chosen, but I tried the other two (ID as Firefox, then ID as Seamonkey but advertise Firefox compatibility) but none worked.
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tomman
Fraser_Bell: Two things worth trying, just in case Google is doing A/B testing with you
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tomman
1) Check the error console to rule out any Javascript errors
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tomman
2) Try with a user agent override (Google *really* dislikes SeaMonkey these days)
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: User agent says: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.8.1
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Fraser_Bell
Switched to advert as FFX, now says: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.8.1
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tomman
try an user agent WITHOUT the SeaMonkey token
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Fraser_Bell
How?
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tomman
general.useragent.override.<DOMAIN> on about:prefs
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tomman
I already had to set up one for google.com, otherwise I would get cellphone pages
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tomman
curiously, I have none for YouTube (as I've said, I don't use it), but maybe it still works because I'm logged in, or the Google override does somehting, or...
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Fraser_Bell
MrMazda: hi
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: hi
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Fraser_Bell
tomman: More specific? Is it "general.useragent.override.youtube.com", or "general.useragent.override" with the String set as the YouTube address?
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tomman
the first
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tomman
general.useragent.override.youtube.com = Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0
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tomman
or try first with one for google.com
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Fraser_Bell
I put it in both, but I used rv:91.0 and Firefox/91.0
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Fraser_Bell
Those are the versions of FFX installed
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Fraser_Bell
It worked.
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Fraser_Bell
tomman: Thank you
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: 2.53.10 will have Firefox/68.0 as default in the user agent
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tomman
Iiiiinteresting
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tomman
ah, I'm using 2.53.10b1, that's why I haven't noticed, I guess
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IanN_Away
tomman: yeah that would have 68 in too
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tomman
Google still serves me cellphone pages as soon as it detects the SeaMonkey token, no matter which Firefox version it reports
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tomman
and now, it also blocks me from using Google Drive too, unless if I pretend to "just use outdated Firefox"
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tomman
Alphabet Inc. really wants us gone :/
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tomman
amazingly, after applying the required overrides, stuff works (mostly) fine
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tomman
the big outlier for now is GMail
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IanN_Away
tomman: yeah, which shows poor coding from them
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tomman
it's the only Google product that doesn't reject SeaMonkey (or complain that "YOUR BROWSER IS OOOOOOOOOLD; AND NOT CHROME!" just yet
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: Now grey matter, but I think I tried the 68.0 before trying my 91.0 and it didn't work. Of course, maybe I just needed to close & restart the browser after changing to 68.0. I did that after changing to 91.0 (closed and restarted) to get it to work.
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Fraser_Bell
Thanks, guys.
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: what OS are you on btw? Is it downloaded or part of the distro?
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» IanN_Away is now listening to the sound of thunderstorms on youtube
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: openSUSE, of course! There isn't anything else, is there? Yes, it is part of the distro
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: hmmm, so they're still on 2.53.8.1?
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: You mean Seamonkey?
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: yep, of SeaMonkey
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: Yep, looks like it. Let me check who provides.
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: 2.53.10 is due out in the next few days
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: Yep, with my distro. And, I take it, your last mssg means due at openSUSE?
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: no, as in released by SeaMonkey project
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IanN_Away
Fraser_Bell: each distro then does it's own thing
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Fraser_Bell
MrMazda: Just tried to private chat with you, got this: MrMazda :You must log into your NickServ account to message this user
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a-865
Fraser_Bell: I think it means no private messaging unless logged in to a registered account with libera.chat
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IanN_Away
never knew you could restrict it, then again I am always logged in via a registered account
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a-865
I didn't do anything to cause any restriction
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Fraser_Bell
I do not know if I have hexchat set up properly since the IRC was switched to libera
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a-865
at least, nothing I know of
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IanN_Away
maybe something libera.chat have enforced
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a-865
This is Chatzilla in SeaMonkey 2.53.10b1
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Fraser_Bell
I am not sure if I am signing in properly with hexchat, or if it is even registering with NickServ properly, or what.
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Fraser_Bell
Not even sure if I have my cloak anymore, either. Long time away from the Community with Recording my Music and taking care of all the Marketing and PR associated, as well as learning about Releasing Recordings as and Independent and getting attention.
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Fraser_Bell
^ as an Independent
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: Felix, DuckDuckGo for Gerry Jack Macks
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a-865
Fraser_Bell: hit1 is FB?!?
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Fraser_Bell
Cowboy hat?
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Fraser_Bell
Shadowy figure?
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: If so, yes.
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IanN_Away
time for some sleep, nn all
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Fraser_Bell
IanN_Away: G'night, and thanks.
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: GerryJackMacks.ca GerryJackMacks.net and YouTube:
youtube.com/channel/UC3V-gTkPx81SWRPnZa0TBwA
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a-865
pests get my tomatoes b4 I do
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Fraser_Bell
.net is my Official Site and Store at Bandzoogle, .ca and .com are my own private domain.
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Fraser_Bell
LOL
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Fraser_Bell
Also on Fbk and Instagram
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a-865
Fraser_Bell: your scale only goes to 250lb?
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: Weight scale? No, only goes to 11 pounds, or 5 kg
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Fraser_Bell
small kitchen scale
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a-865
bathroom scale works for me
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Fraser_Bell
I don't own a bathroom scale. My weight doesn't change much at all.
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a-865
they're handy for weighing more than just people
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Fraser_Bell
... and, I don't need to worry about it. I just go by how many notches on the belt. Winter, let the belt out more, Summer tighten it up (actually, this summer I had to add another hole!).
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: Yes, it might be worth thinking about for next year, just so I can keep track of how my produce is doing in the garden.
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Fraser_Bell
PS: You on the Libera channels?
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a-865
Fraser_Bell: besides here? a few, including opensuse-admin
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Fraser_Bell
a-865: Okay, I am closing hexchat, will restart it properly, I can then private chat with you through Libera
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frg_Away
Another reason why you should not use google:
groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.seamonkey
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njsg
the still haven't solved that?
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njsg
I'll say again: a silly thing here is that what probably got it "banned" was content posted using google groups
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frg_Away
njsg well it is "only" the archive.
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IanN
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WaltS48
Hi ewong, frg, IanN and all
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IanN
hi WaltS48
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frg
WaltS48 Hi
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IanN
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WG9s
HI all I am here for the meeting
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WaltS48
Hi WG9s
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WG9s
hi WaltS48
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tomman
hi again, coming back after today's latest blackout
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tomman
will there be pancakes?
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WaltS48
waffles
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WG9s
tomman: hi perhaps a better idea than Friends offthe Fish Tiank tholse who participate in the meeting get a gift certificates for pancakes, but hard to make that work Internationally.
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frg
ice cream
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IanN
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njsg
hi .*
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IanN
hi njsg
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IanN
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IanN
hi rsx11m
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frg
Hi rsx11m
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rsx11m
hi there!
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WG9s
hi rsx11m
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IanN
Who's taking minutes?
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frg
me and probably late again
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IanN
thanks frg
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IanN
Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
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frg
Would like to nominate JustOff for the password backup tool:
forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14908756#p14908756
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rsx11m
sure
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WG9s
rsx11m: was that a second?
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IanN
I think it was :)
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rsx11m
sure+ :-)
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IanN
thirded
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IanN
Action Items
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IanN
frg has just removed another freenode reference, but nothing else I am aware of
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frg
Yes I think freenode is now gone. Given that they are totally irrelevant now I would not add them as a backup irc channel and close my action item here.
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IanN
at some point may need to remove them from cZ
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IanN
yeah, close it :)
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
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frg
IanN can do this.
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ewx2
:)
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frg
Hi ewx2
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IanN
hi ewx2
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ewx2
hi guys
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ewx2
managed to make it to a meeting for once!
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frg
ewx2 cool
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frg
Nothing new on the Windows server.
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IanN
welcome ewx2
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WG9s
Is freenode that irrelevant now? if they are just irrelvant for mozilla and SeaMonkey but still a relevant channel for support of other things we should not remove.
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ewx2
WG9s irrelevant in most aspects...
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WG9s
hi ewx2
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IanN
WG9s: no plans to remove from cZ unless it dies completely
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tomman
who still uses Freenode?
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frg
We can switch to VS2022. Server 2012 R2 supports it. Did setup a dev env and built 2.53.10.
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IanN
ewx2: any updates on crash stats/reports server?
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WG9s
OK so not removing freenode just not promiting
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frg
But not for the initial release for sure.
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tomman
it doesn't even let you login without SASL, which makes some users run away
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ewx2
IanN no.. still figuring the symbols info
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njsg
tomman: doesn't it require registration via the website now?
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tomman
njsg: haven't really bothered
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njsg
won't affect existing accounts, but it'd be another barrier for newcomers
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tomman
but it sends me to register on "irc.com"
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frg
Yes totally dead without a registration. I would remove it from cZ
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tomman
at this stage, pretty much everyone switched to Libera (or something else) and moved on
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WG9s
so is kind of the non-free node
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frg
Finding only references for shady crypto mining channels searching for freenode.
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IanN
maybe they will rebrand?
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rsx11m
frg: there is another channel showing up on our logbot which looks a bit "shady" or is it legit?
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IanN
150 channels with 10 or more people in
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IanN
vs 3000 channels on libera.chat with 10 or more people in
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frg
rsx11m I saw. Probabyl a legit channel but all crypto is shady :)
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rsx11m
very cryptic 8-)
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IanN
Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
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WG9s
comm-central builds all work with the patches in gitlab
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frg
All building thanks to WG9s.
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WG9s
2.57 and 2.53 builds also all work with the gitlab patches
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IanN
rust 1.56.1 is out
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frg
2.57 is still very much on the back burner for me. Sorry. I donÄt find the time for the rebases. But with 2.53 advancing needed less any day.
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IanN
did I see that patches to make 1.56.1 are being tested?
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WG9s
2.53.11b1pre builds with my patch queue work with rust 1.56.1
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WG9s
thanks to frg
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WG9s
my 2.53.11b2pre are built using clan-13 and rust 1.56.1
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WG9s
clang-13
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frg
IanN Have them ready for a 2.53.10 point release too. But Only if we do one. I don't want to delay 2.53.10 ayn further.
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WG9s
my idea was on the if you are doing your own builds providing the required patches there
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IanN
Release Train
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WG9s
on the how to build form the tar file page saying if using rust 1.56.0 or later you need these patches
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frg
Depending on how fast 2.53.11 progresses maybe a 10.1 point with some more sec fixes and the 1.56.1 rust patches later.
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IanN
2.53.10 should be pushed tomorrow(ish)
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WG9s
i also had an idea to just make it a roll-up patch that does it all in one patch
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frg
I installed it on some more real hardware and vms here and so far all good. Mostly Windows but also on my OpenSuse 15.3
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WG9s
so like for using the tar file tnis rooll-up single patch is all you need to build with 1.56.
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frg
The new default 68 ua might cause problems with Google if you don't advertize SeaMonkey compatibility.
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WG9s
we can do this offline probaly not required to wate time in this meeting
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tomman
actually, Google gets all angry if you DO advertise the SeaMonkey token
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tomman
like, breaking YouTube or sending cellphone pages for Search
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rsx11m
you mean both SeaMonkey and Firefox tokens, or *just* Firefox alone is allowed?
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tomman
just the Firefox one
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frg
IanN We could do 2.53.10.1 branches and I put the 2 patches for 1.56.1 in. Even if it does not come to a release they could be picked by maintainers.
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tomman
also Drive needs a SM-less UA
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tomman
only GMail works fine for now
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IanN
frg: yeah, I guess we could
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frg
I built a Firefox from the 2.53.11b1 pre code and It just shows blank items in youtube.
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njsg
gmail now keeps insisting in loading the full version. the option to load "simple html" used to stick in the past
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IanN
frg: but works in SM
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rsx11m
hmm, there is no mechanism to omit the application token entirely from the UA, as far as I remember, thus would need a full override
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frg
tomman youtube works with 68 only if you add the SeaMonkey. At least without login and my experience. They are crap anyway and if you use there services with login you should use a chrome based browser.
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frg
rsx11m Advanced->Http networking and Identify as SM and avdertize Fx compatibility.
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IanN
Extensions Tracking
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tomman
frg: there was an user last night that reported that YT wouldn't render at all on 2.53.9, even on a clean profile
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rsx11m
yes, I know - bt it will give you both tokens, not just the Firefox one alone
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tomman
...but .9 of course still advertises an old FF version that YT doesn't want anymore
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IanN
polyfill is now on 1.2.8
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tomman
worth testing, but eh, I don't use YT anyway
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frg
tomman yes might also be another problem with their cryppy ua detection.
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frg
rsx11m there is also an identify as Firefox.
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frg
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frg
The legacy generator detection in 2.53.9.1 and up seems not to work always. I am not sure I am able to fix this better. Deeply buried in Spidermonkey code.
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IanN
good stuff, someone should give the author a FotFT nomination
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frg
IanN see above :)
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» IanN knows
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rsx11m
frg: I see, the "full compatibility" was added in
bug 1242294
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» frg wasn't sure
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frg
rsx11m yes.
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IanN
i must remember to add more emojis
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frg
IanN yes it was too straight forward :D
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IanN
2.next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
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rsx11m
IanN seems to be in a hurry today ;-)
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WG9s
but i think the point is fi we are beint bloicked because they don;t know what SeaMonkey is, instaed of providing a completely ogus UA string to try to get around it we need to ask then to permit our string and if they refuse consider a restaint of trade lawsuit
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WG9s
but cn we get back to the technical stuff?
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frg
google plans to no longer accept new manifest v2 extentions in 2022. Exiting ones need to switch till 2023. That might mean crippled ad blockers in 2023 only unless you run a browser still supporting xul or maybe Firefox for a while longer.
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frg
^extensions
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ewx2
sorry... gotta head to bed.. will get teh release started tomorrow
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ewx2
g'night all
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frg
ewx2 nighty night
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rsx11m
frg: so, the problem is that google insists on a new manifest for extensions, which we don't support, but we assume that all add-on developers will support v2 then only, thus no longer other browsers including Firefox?
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rsx11m
specifically for add blockers?
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frg
rsx11m they want to update to manifest v3. This cripples the blocking webrequest api among other things. Other browsers might not implement this fully including Firefox but I won't bet on this.
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frg
Search for manifest v3 and you will find the facts fast. All in the name of privacy of course...
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frg
Oh I forgot in the name of security too.
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rsx11m
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rsx11m
"and performance"
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rsx11m
:-p
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WG9s
so I am back on the sue them for restraint of trade idea!
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frg
Mostly all bullshirt of course.
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rsx11m
they forgot "and $$$"?
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tomman
"CLOSED WONTFIX USECHROME HEALTHYECOSYSTEM PRIVACYFIRST"
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WG9s
once again can we get back to technichal and non-political issues!
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rsx11m
sorry, slightly off-topic ...
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WG9s
rsx11m: a d probably my fault as mush as anyones
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frg
It affects us on a technical level later. Depends how Mozilla handles this. So i think it is important. All the discussion around it is mostly irrelevant. Will be implemented.
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rsx11m
shall we add USECHROME as resolution to bugzilla? :-D
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WG9s
rsx11m: funnything with what m$ is doing with version 11 would need a USEEDGE
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» frg groans
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» rsx11m shuts up now
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WG9s
they just changed things so that you cannot override using edge as the borwser for some functions no matter aht you change in settings
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frg
Nothing to add to planning. bau
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WaltS48
What functions does one use a browser for other that visit web sites?
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IanN
ditto
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WG9s
let me find the article
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WG9s
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frg
Maybe as a addendum to extensions. cZ is now localized in a few more languages. el was just completed for 2.53.10.
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IanN
all good :)
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WG9s
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frg
IanN maybe you can ask flod to clean up strings again. Merging back to 2.53.x is a bit hard right now becuase of all the removals.
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IanN
frg: yeah, i'll ask soon
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frg
Adn we could use a few more localizers for a few languages but not sure if we can do something about it. Didn't see complaints about untranslated stuff either.
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IanN
Anything else on 2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
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frg
no++
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IanN
AOB?
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IanN
current AOB seems to be out of date...
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rsx11m
28th is the Thanksgiving weekend
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rsx11m
don't know about other, but I'll be away
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njsg
WaltS48: run webapps, apparently :-)
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rsx11m
I left it open on purpose
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IanN
still plan to meet on 28th
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tomman
njsg: remember that the browser is the new OS, sadly
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frg
28th is ok with me too.
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rsx11m
ok, someone else will have to send out the invites then
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WG9s
iam open to a week off already fixed the timezone issue in my calendar alerts i think
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tomman
we don't do Thanksgiving in South America
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rsx11m
I can still prepare the meeting notes early in the week
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njsg
we don't do thanksgiving here but I think black friday is now becoming a thing
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IanN
unless we push back a week and do 5th Dec and 19th Dec?
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frg
Would be better I think 19th and 2nd then
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frg
plus the 5th
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rsx11m
I'm fine either way, missing a couple of meetings in any case
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IanN
might start back on 9th
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WG9s
i mayh have misspoke when i said skip a eeek i was not suggesting skipping a meeting my idea was doing it a week later and going on fromthere
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rsx11m
WG9s: the week after the 28th would be the 5th
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IanN
WG9s: yeah, that is what we are saying too
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IanN
same hymn sheet
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IanN
so next meeting is in 3 weeks time on 5th December
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IanN
thanks for your time today
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rsx11m
sounds good!
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IanN
same bat channel, same bat time
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frg
9th might not be so good for me. Still planning a pinball event on the 7th and friends might still be here. But we can discuss it at the last dec meeeting.
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WaltS48
pinball! Have I mentioned I used to repair those back in the 1970s?
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rsx11m
AOB updated for next time ;-)
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frg
WaltS48 yes
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rsx11m
bye everyone
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IanN
thanks rsx11m
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IanN
by rsx11m
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IanN
*bye
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frg
bye rsx11m
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frg_Away
away and here
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frg_Away
mlh85386 The rust target is derived from the build target. I doubt there is any version specifically targeting such an ancient cpu available.
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mlh85386
frg_away: thank you for providing the information. I hope I got you: The rust compiler rustc gets the settings made for the build procedure in general, i.e. for gcc in the case here
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buc
Seeing clean "Firefox >= 63.0" in UA string (without SM mention), youtube assumes that the browser should support customElements.
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buc
What sites (for example) have recently started demanding FF >= 68.0 ?
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tomman
buc: Google Drive
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tomman
lemme recheck just in case
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buc
Could you also provide an example link here?
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tomman
just go to drive.google.com
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tomman
with FF <68, it will redirect you to an help page telling you that you're doing wrong by not using Chrome, er, using an outdated browser
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tomman
with FF>=68, it loads, although it warns of "incompatible browser", but it doesn't block you anymore from using it
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buc
toman: Hmmm. Seems work for me (without any redirects)...
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tomman
in 2.53.9 or .10?
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buc
tomman: 2.53.8.1
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tomman
remember that .10 now identifies as FF68
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buc
tomman: plus 'identify as Firefox" only
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tomman
on .9 with stock settings, it identifies as FF61, and Google will block it
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buc
FF61 ???
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tomman
er, FF60
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tomman
just checked on my other setup
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tomman
Another fine (and more egregious) example is Google search
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tomman
it will accept any Firefox version...
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tomman
...but as soon as it sees the SeaMonkey token, it serves cellphone pages
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tomman
drop the SM token and you'll get regular pages
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buc
tomman: Google search is OK, since we (in Fedora) just do not mention SM by default.
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buc
tomman: You have chekced drive.goole.com under your es_AR locale?
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tomman
yup
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tomman
locale doesn't seem to matter
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tomman
all Drive cares is that it wants FF68
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tomman
in this case, the SeaMonkey token doesn't matter
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buc
tomman: All works for me even with es-ve . FF60 without SM token.
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tomman
who would have guessed it: different Google teams have different priorities
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tomman
only GMail doesn't actively exclude our "ooooooooooold" browsers
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buc
tomman: Maybe clear cache on your tests?
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tomman
cleared cache
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tomman
results are the same
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tomman
FWIW, I'm logged into my Google account
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buc
tomman: Then maybe safe mode?
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tomman
Better yet: I'm testing with a clean profile which has never seen my Google account, ever
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tomman
....and the result is interesting: drive.google.com lets me log in to Google (as expected), then.. "Update your browser"
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tomman
so yeah, it's purely user agent based
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tomman
once again, can't rule out that Google is doing A/B testing based on your location, etc.
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tomman
In any case, here is what I know:
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tomman
1) Google search: serves cellphone pages if it detects the SeaMonkey token
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tomman
2) Drive: wants FF68 at least, will redirect to an "update your browser" help page otherwise
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tomman
3) YouTube: also wants FF68 at least
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tomman
4) GMail: doesn't seem to care!
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buc
YouTube wants customElements if FF >= 63, so stay on FF60, or mention something (like SM)
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tomman
An user last night was complaining that he was getting blank pages on YouTube
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tomman
after switching his user agent to FF68, it started working
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tomman
can't remember if he did dropped the SM token or not
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njsg
let me see the post
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tomman
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tomman
and oh joy, it's at the very beginning of today's log
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njsg
Barry, who said it started working, has "[...] Firefox/68.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.10"
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njsg
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buc
njsg: Yep, working because of SM mention. Does not work with FF68 only.
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buc
tomman: Well, cannot log in into my old gmail account, since it is no more login+password :(
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buc
tomman: Does drive.google.com start page works for you when you are NOT logged in?
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buc
Well, believing that youtube is more important to users than google drive, I'll tend to keep the old FF60 for a while at downstream level...
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mlh85386
It's getting late in Germany. Good night.