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tomman
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tomman
seriously, the answers look like people is dealing with Your Average Proprietary Software Megacorp™
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tomman
> Hi @zephyr, unfortunately we don’t have a lot more we can share at the moment. However, I’ll talk to the team and see if there are any updates for next week.
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tomman
*sigh~*
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frg_Away
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frg_Away
www.arewedeadyet.com seems to be still available :)
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frg_Away
This one is unintentionally funny :)
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frg_Away
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tomman
hilarious... and sobering at the same time
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KaiRo[m]
<frg_Away> "www.arewedeadyet.com seems to be..." <- Sounds like a domain the SeaMonkey team should get
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job
arewe257yet.com
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frg_Away
Maybe in a few years. At leat we didn't drive a company with hundreds of employees into the ground and blaming all others but us.
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tomman
www.arewegoogleyet.com
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frg_Away
Maybe www.arewepaidbygoogleyet.com :)
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» frg_Away knows he likes to be bad guy sometimes
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njsg
so .yet is not yet a tld? :-)
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frg_Away
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tomman
someone needs to sponsor it then
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wyatt8740
Hi, is there a way that I can have mail/news remember my email authentication stuff without getting prompted to remember passwords on every website I visit?
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wyatt8740
It seems like same the password manager is used for both
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tomman
wyatt8740: yes, indeed
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tomman
you should just tick the "remember my password" checkbox when prompted
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tomman
the very first time
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tomman
BUT!
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wyatt8740
I think that checkbox is invisible if you have the password manager turned off
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tomman
oh...
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tomman
In my case, I got the box every time there is a server-side failure
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wyatt8740
Hm
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wyatt8740
ah, for oauth, right?
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tomman
(which are rare, but DO happen a few times a year)
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tomman
In my case, I stick to the out of the box defaults, with both a Gmail and a Hotmail account
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tomman
(via POP3/SMTP)
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tomman
having the passwords saved to the Password Manager is handy for me, as I usually forget them
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wyatt8740
I do the naughty/evil thing and have a user script I wrote to plug them in for me on a handful of sites
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wyatt8740
and for things I don't care about, I have a single very weak reusable password
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wyatt8740
but those are rare now
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wyatt8740
I'm clearly using best practices
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wyatt8740
-_-
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tomman
wonder if Google still insists that I should switch to 2FA for Gmail (and install a cellphone app I do not want), as I don't know if they still do application-specific passwords
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tomman
but then, I only use my Google account for... well, email
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tomman
Microsoft doesn't really care, and I was surprised 3 years ago when I discovered that they had stopped charging for POP3 access years ago
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wyatt8740
i think they let you do 2FA where they just text you a PIN
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tomman
SMS are notoriously unreliable in Venezuela (although on the flip side, SIM swaps are a non-threat here... because they're Hell on Earth to get done by our telcos!)
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tomman
I already have enough with my banks
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tomman
last time MS decided to lock me out of my Hotmail account (because I decided to send email from MY account using an alternate identity), it was a pain
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tomman
because the PIN SMS never arrived on time
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tomman
3 attempts and you're out, until the next day
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wyatt8740
ahh, venezuela.
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wyatt8740
SMS isn't too good here, either, honestly
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tomman
in general, our telcos are the textbook definition of "Can You Hear Me Now?™"
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wyatt8740
but I can imagine it's worse there (I have friends in central/south america)
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tomman
where 4G works at sub-2G speeds, on a sunny day
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wyatt8740
Auburn Indiana is similar
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wyatt8740
:P
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tomman
It's particularly painful when banks send you a PIN over SMS and give you 60 seconds to type it...
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wyatt8740
true.
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tomman
...the SMS arrives at the 62th second
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wyatt8740
i can see why that'd be a bad idea
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wyatt8740
I don't like using google services either
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tomman
They know that our telcos are a disaster, so why not apply more lenient timeouts?
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tomman
ah no, banks
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tomman
most likely some law tells them to be as obnoxious as possible with their insecuritah theater
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wyatt8740
they wanted my drivers license the other week to watch a stupid youtube documentary on 4chan
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tomman
wtf
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wyatt8740
that or a credit card payment that they'd apparently refund
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wyatt8740
to "prove I'm 18"
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tomman
oh Google, never change~
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tomman
fortunately they don't pull that here
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tomman
oh wait
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tomman
I don't even use YouTube
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wyatt8740
I think they did it because they think I'm in europe
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wyatt8740
I wish I could avoid it altogether
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tomman
the rare times I absolutely must watch a video (I avoid videos, in general), I just use mpv
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wyatt8740
Hey, same.
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tomman
with youtube-dl
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wyatt8740
only i use mplayer w/ a youtube-dl pipe
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tomman
(or VLC, if I don't want to save the video)
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tomman
but don't mention youtube-dl on the forums of A Certain Firefox Fork™, because you'll be classified as a PIRATE and instabanned!
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tomman
In general, I'm of the thinking that videos don't really belong to web browsers, but to actual media players
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wyatt8740
ah, does it share initials with Prime Minister?
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tomman
yuuup~!
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wyatt8740
I'm of the philosophy that most videos are a waste of time, cpu cycles, and bandwidth
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wyatt8740
and that I could be reading about something interesting instead
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tomman
same
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tomman
I like reading a lot
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tomman
videos are a nuisance, particularly when they're on a foreign language that isn't yours
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wyatt8740
Seems not too many my age are like that though. It means I'm a bit behind on memes and such (i'm 24)
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tomman
and even when they're on YOUR language, some people can't simply speak it properly (or are using awful gear)
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tomman
I'm a dinosaur
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tomman
could as well became the next Mozilla logo :D
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wyatt8740
I act like a dinosaur
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wyatt8740
there's an amber screen rs232 terminal under my bed
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IanN_Away
is it ever switched on?
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wyatt8740
yeah, every few weeks
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wyatt8740
it needs new caps though
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wyatt8740
IBM 3161
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tomman
ah, capacitors~
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tomman
the Achilles' heel of everything powered by electricity
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wyatt8740
It's the caps in the CRT part
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wyatt8740
the CRT is also the PSU for the logic board though
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wyatt8740
the logic board itself uses solid tantalums
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wyatt8740
BTW, transcribed the font out of the terminal
gitlab.com/wyatt8740/IBM3161-font
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wyatt8740
I use it most places
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tomman
yeah, many computers/terminals of that vintage shared that... misfeature
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wyatt8740
I have a commodore monitor I had to recap already
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wyatt8740
my Apple II monitor's okay for the moment though
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wyatt8740
I don't have an Apple II, just the monitor
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wyatt8740
i use it for famicom games
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wyatt8740
(and sega master system)
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wyatt8740
anyway some of my CRT's seem totally fine, others are falling apart all over the place. It's kinda bizarre how much range of quality there seems to be.
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wyatt8740
Perhaps some of them were stored in worse conditions though
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wyatt8740
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wyatt8740
(image)
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wyatt8740
I've swapped the tube in this one actually
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tomman
at least back then they didn't had the bad capacitor plague
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tomman
wat
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tomman
that's hardcore
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tomman
I would never ever EVER touch anything inside a CRT
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wyatt8740
heheh
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tomman
I have 4 broken CRT TVs here at home
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wyatt8740
I was scared to at first
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tomman
one is completely fried
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wyatt8740
I repair them now
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wyatt8740
fixed a vertical collapse and several other issues on the commodore
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tomman
(a nasty surge fried the mainboard)
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wyatt8740
ah, damn
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IanN_Away
I used to have a mono terminal, but it didn't work too well
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wyatt8740
I swapped tubes because I had another screen from a similar IBM terminal that was burned out
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wyatt8740
mine seems to work nicely, as long as you give it hardware handshaking
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tomman
another has horrible CRT problems, like unstable image and bad colors
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IanN_Away
friend had a working better model but decided to drop it out of a window to see how the CRT exploded
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wyatt8740
it refuses to work without hw handshaking
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tomman
the other two simply won't power on
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IanN_Away
I was so annoyed
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wyatt8740
what model? Do you remember?
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tomman
don't miss TV, but miss CRTs :/
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wyatt8740
Also, I have replaced the deflection yoke on a colour 20" CRT . That was way worse than tube swapping imo
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wyatt8740
(monochrome swapping)
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IanN_Away
they connected to a SYSTIME mainframe
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tomman
yeah, I heard horrible things about yoke swaps
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tomman
like "don't do it, ever"
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wyatt8740
tomman: worst thing is this is like a ~$2000 set on ebay nowadays
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IanN_Away
the one I had was a plain black and white case
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wyatt8740
i got it free but if I messed it up I'd never get another
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tomman
ouch
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wyatt8740
sony: paying for a name
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tomman
the retrocraze on eBay is simply insane
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wyatt8740
I did it, but I lost one of those metal clamps you use to hold the parts on the neck so it's all kind of scary in there now
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wyatt8740
I'm afraid to move it and shake something loose
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IanN_Away
the keyboard was built into the casing
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tomman
can't you just drown it into hotglue?
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tomman
Anyway, someday I should get those salvageable CRT TVs repaired
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tomman
one DOES power on, but dies after 1-2 seconds
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tomman
the other was working fine, then shut down, never to power again (only the front LED blinks, but that's all)
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wyatt8740
iann_away: was this an adds regent 25 or something?
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wyatt8740
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wyatt8740
oops
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wyatt8740
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wyatt8740
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IanN_Away
wyatt8740: for some reason the word valentine rings a bell
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wyatt8740
not a wyse or something i'd imagine
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wyatt8740
I regret not picking up a wy60 terminal when I found it
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wyatt8740
i didn't know what it was at that point
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IanN_Away
wyatt8740: predates wyse I am sure
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wyatt8740
ah ok, one of the old one-piece units
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wyatt8740
not a zenith z19 or something?
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IanN_Away
wyatt8740: yeah, yeah a one-piece unit
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wyatt8740
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wyatt8740
that's a prebuilt version of a heathkit terminal
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wyatt8740
can't think of anything like valentine
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wyatt8740
Wasn't a DEC or something, was it?
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IanN_Away
wyatt8740: probably a UK only thing
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wyatt8740
ahh UK
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wyatt8740
that narrows it down
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wyatt8740
(potentially)
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wyatt8740
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wyatt8740
the one I replaced the yoke on was one of those
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wyatt8740
without the expansion card in the back though
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tomman
and it had to say "NASA"
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tomman
hence the price went to the moon!
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wyatt8740
it would be $2000 at least without that
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wyatt8740
they're ridiculous
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wyatt8740
not even that awesome or anything, but they can do 480p and 720p so I guess that's why people want them
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wyatt8740
I prefer my little Panasonic set honestly
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tomman
hmmm, "hover to zoom" doesn't seem to be working here
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tomman
I hover, but there is no zoom
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wyatt8740
also that monitor weighs 32 kilos
-
tomman
(and no errors on console, outside of a bunch of seemingly unrelated warnings)
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wyatt8740
tomman: works on firefox, not in SM last i checked :(
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tomman
wyatt8740: reminds me when I bought my final CRT TV in 2012 (yes, dinosaur even back then!)
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tomman
it was a 29" Samsung slim flat tube
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tomman
...worst CRT I've had, ever
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wyatt8740
flat slim tubes... yeah
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wyatt8740
those have issues
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tomman
terrible geometry
-
tomman
and a nasty tendency to magnetize strongly when playing videogames on it
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wyatt8740
I have a slim toshiba curved face tube and it's not that terrible
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tomman
developing nasty color splotches
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wyatt8740
but flat and slim together is nasty
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wyatt8740
yeah the toshiba had purity issues
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tomman
Prior to it, I had another flat slim Samsung (but a 21", made in China), and that one wasn't that bad
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tomman
(that's the one that won't power on anymore)
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wyatt8740
actually my commodore monitor also had purity issues, i had to move the magnets they'd taped onto the back of the tube to fix it
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tomman
the 29" was the one that died due to a power surge
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wyatt8740
If you ever feel a little brave, i do actually like working on CRT's most of the time
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IanN_Away
I do remember another one that had separate keyboard to screen but both were made of metal
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wyatt8740
they're pretty simple beasts when it comes to their theory of operation
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tomman
spent like 4 months on a TV repair shop just to get returned it because "motherboard is fried and unfixable"
-
wyatt8740
and I usually have good luck repairing them if the IC's aren't cooked/inavailable
-
tomman
but then the very same power surge fried 3 PCs, 2 UPSs, and nearly every device in the way
-
wyatt8740
that's horrible
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wyatt8740
lightning? or just a bad surge
-
tomman
turned out to be my cable TV provider and its ungrounded coax
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wyatt8740
ahhhhhhh
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wyatt8740
>:(
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wyatt8740
that's evil
-
tomman
with nasty, NASTY AC voltages
-
tomman
the very same line killed all 4 TVs on this house
-
tomman
...plus a PC TV tuner card (the tuner can looks like someone blew up a bomb inside)
-
tomman
that was the day I decided that cable TV was no more in this house
-
wyatt8740
a rational decision given the circumstances
-
tomman
(they still refuse to pay for the repairs, or even acknowledge that their coax has deadly voltages inside)
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wyatt8740
Something's probably pretty wrong if that's the case
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tomman
I got it cheap: at least 3 other subscribers had house fires due to the very same issue
-
tomman
but then
-
tomman
> Soviet Venezuela
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tomman
noone cares, so your best bet is to simply give up cable and buy an sat TV kit
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wyatt8740
I have family in bulgaria who tell stories like that
-
tomman
now, if you absolutely need a cable modem, you're screwed
-
wyatt8740
optoisolators? would those do anything?
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tomman
yeah, if you touched their cable, you could actually get a mild zap
-
tomman
Finding antenna isolators here was like finding gold in a trashcan
-
tomman
I once built one using a couple matching transformers
-
tomman
even THAT didn't managed to stop the TV carnage
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IanN_Away
I'm glad my cable is done via fibre optic
-
tomman
After some effort I managed to import a proper galvanic isolator for CATV
-
wyatt8740
I remember once remotely diagnosing someone's CRT failure
-
tomman
...my cable provider managed to fry two extra TVs anyway
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wyatt8740
they didn't have sync, and the power LED was out
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wyatt8740
i found a schematic and pointed at a spot that I suspected needed reflowing.
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wyatt8740
(a voltage regulator)
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wyatt8740
i was right
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tomman
Maybe the two almost-dead TVs have something simple
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wyatt8740
yeah that's my thought
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tomman
one will turn on fine, but die after 2 seconds
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wyatt8740
ah, i suspect a short somewhere, then?
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tomman
the other only blinks a front LED, and dies again
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wyatt8740
does the whine start?
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tomman
yup
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wyatt8740
(on the first one)
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wyatt8740
so the tube will start warming up?
-
tomman
I can definitely listen a whine
-
tomman
hell, the image even comes up
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wyatt8740
hm.
-
tomman
the TV powers up fine, and gives video
-
tomman
it just powers off (with a loud POP, IIRC) after 2 seconds or so
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wyatt8740
do check for blown up capacitors, swollen capacitors, etc. if you look inside
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wyatt8740
always the first thing to check
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tomman
The other one was working fine, then suddenly died with the already mentioned symptoms
-
tomman
like, it shutdown itself out of the blue
-
wyatt8740
it could be as simple as a blown capacitor that's shorting
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wyatt8740
the other one that dies like that... that one's less simple to guess what's wrong without seeing it
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wyatt8740
except again always check capcitors
-
tomman
my sat TV box died once with a similar problem
-
tomman
it started with a click-click-click when trying to power on
-
tomman
so I cracked it open, and found a bulged noname crapacitor
-
tomman
on the PSU board
-
tomman
now that one was an easy (and free) fix
-
tomman
except that I had to use a 16V cap (IIRC the original one was 25V-rated, but then, noname Chinese parts whose rating is as good as an electoral promise)
-
tomman
but then, the replacement cap was a genuine Nippon Chemi-Con salvaged from a dead PC motherboard
-
tomman
the box came alive after the swap, and has worked fine since ever (although I haven't used it in nearly 2 years)
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wyatt8740
btw, here's an example of a bad vs a good capacitor
i.imgur.com/euEZUAy.jpg
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wyatt8740
bad on left
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wyatt8740
(pic from my Commodore monitor)
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wyatt8740
(swelling.)
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wyatt8740
this one smelled like burning whenever it was on
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wyatt8740
ozone
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wyatt8740
also i had to patch the neckboard in a horrible way to get the guns to not just fade out
i.imgur.com/K3rOpGI.jpg
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wyatt8740
but the worst is yet to come, look at the underside
i.imgur.com/8LsEC4V.jpg
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wyatt8740
that's a factory bodge job I think
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tomman
oh dear~
-
tomman
some fine engineering there :D
-
tomman
Now I wonder
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wyatt8740
I had to fix one or two places where that solder cracked around the big radial pinned thing on the right (the flyback transformer)
-
tomman
I've heard of those bigass caps on tube TVs holding nasty charges for weeks, perharps months
-
tomman
can they hold a charge for YEARS?
-
wyatt8740
the tubes themeselves can act as capacitors
-
tomman
ah, that one too
-
wyatt8740
I don't know if they can hold it for years, but I always poke a screwdriver under the anode cap before doing anything on them
-
wyatt8740
(with a wire going to the chassis, on sets that don't have an active chassis)
-
wyatt8740
only really old sets have live chassis
-
tomman
maybe that should be my next lockdown hobby
-
tomman
becoming masochist, er, repairing that couple dead TVs
-
wyatt8740
it can be fun, just be careful
-
tomman
that reminds me
-
wyatt8740
i enjoy it
-
tomman
I really need a new soldering iron
-
wyatt8740
me too.
-
wyatt8740
mine's falling apart
-
tomman
all I have is a lame 25W iron that is completely useless for anything with over 1 layer
-
wyatt8740
i have a nice pace iron, too, but parts for it are so expensive that I almost always use my cheapo iron instead
-
wyatt8740
honestly for most crt work a cheap "plug in" iron will be fine
-
wyatt8740
IC's are the one difficulty there
-
wyatt8740
but most tube tv's don't have too many of those
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wyatt8740
pc monitors might have a couple more for sync and such, but still not too many
-
tomman
Another thing I never learned how to use properly was desoldering braid
-
wyatt8740
(sync signals are typically TTL)
-
tomman
like, I never managed to desolder anything with that
-
wyatt8740
I've figured out how to use it, but I only use it for surface mount stuff
-
tomman
all tutorials say "just place the braid and heat it with your iron"
-
wyatt8740
when i bridge pins or something
-
tomman
"it will suck solder away, Magically™"
-
wyatt8740
yeah, that's all you do. capilary action does the rest
-
tomman
I never had luck, or maybe I've been doing it wrong, or got counterfeit braid, or whatever
-
wyatt8740
it might not be hot enough
-
tomman
that too
-
tomman
could be the 25W iron
-
wyatt8740
you have to get the solder to melt through the braid
-
wyatt8740
copper is a good thermal conductor but you still might have to hold it there for longer than you'd like
-
tomman
that thing can barely melt solder on single-layer PCBs
-
tomman
two-layer? Difficult, but doable
-
tomman
Over 2 layers? Abandon all hope
-
wyatt8740
Worst of all would be the ones without the "reliefs" on ground pins/RF modulator boxes, i'd imagine
-
tomman
"nooo, noobs do not need 40W irons, just get the 25W one and you'll be FIIIINE!!!"
-
wyatt8740
with irons, more is typically better (unless they burn themselves out)
-
wyatt8740
gotta go, playing dnd tonight
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tomman
cya~
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wyatt8740
Bouncer should stay up.
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wyatt8740
see you
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wyatt8740
oh yeah before i leave
i.imgur.com/6fZmpf3.jpg
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wyatt8740
that's the commodore monitor
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wyatt8740
working
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tomman
sexy scanlines~
-
wyatt8740
scanlines are meh to me, but I do love the dot shadow mask
-
wyatt8740
the tube is in great shape
-
wyatt8740
that's the one thing in the monitor that's really good
-
wyatt8740
anyway, now bye
-
tomman
toho-vote.info/vote apparently voting for your favorite Touhou Project characters now requires moar Javascripts this year
-
tomman
(SyntaxError: expected expression, got keyword 'import' index.a9371d5f.js:1:42025)
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tomman
Japan went all-in with the latest Javascripts and Chromeisms, sadly
-
tomman
they did the quantum leap from 1997 to 2021 in record time
-
tomman
...yeah, "import" requires ESR68 at least
-
tomman
...no, wait, MDN says it requires FF60
-
tomman
-
tomman
ah, "dynamic import" it is, then
-
tomman
which was implemented on FF67
-
tomman
...and "Removed in 67 and later", but gated behind a pref?
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tomman
amazingly, there is a polyfill for that:
github.com/rich-harris/shimport