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IanN: Normally, I compile with clang

I have now tried compiling with gcc 11.1.0 and it worked.

(for Arch Linux)

Hi teruna

In the blfs manual they also mention gcc.

Hi frg

BTW, using rust 1.55 works too.

teruna: hmmm, I'm trying on fedora 34 and no luck with building

teruna: using clang 9.0.1

Arch Linux is already at clang 12.0.1.

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I might try with clang 12.0.1 instead

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hi WaltS48

Hi IanN and others. :)

Hi WaltS48

hi rsx11m

hi IanN frg WaltS48

Hi rsx11m

Hi rsx11m, frg

Status meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-09-19

Who's taking minutes?

me do

thanks frg

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

frg for his work on general and security backports

abstained :)

thanks

Action Items?

no change as far as I am aware

Nothing new from me.

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

It is either website or code and code won again in the last 2 weeks. Plus support.

Nothing directly from me. VS2022 preview 4 tested against latest 2.53.10 so should be a smooth ride on the builder later.

Current VS2019 and rust 1.55 are ok too for 2.53.

switching to gcc-8 for i686 builds

(on linux)

meeting time, nice~

hi guys

Allows to use c++ 17 fatures needed for later ports like the new regexp. Should uncork some web compatibility problems when done.

Hi tomman

it was gcc-6

and from clang8 to clang9 for macOS cross-compile

Just tested the resulting clang 9 build for macOS and it is fine.

ewong is still testing the crash reporter

still good until the end of October...

yeah, we will be switching in 2.53.10

will "ours" be for us only or would it include Thunderbird as well?

rsx11m: just for SM

rsx11m ours. Relations with TB are mostly severed unless I am wrong.

ok...

And it is not us :)

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

I believe everything is building

All building I think. Please test the latest 2.53.10b1 pre. I backported some parser changes and they might break things. Broke Downlaod them All for sure but this needs to be updated.

Easy one in a few places Bug 1228841 so you can do it yourself.

DidnÄt have time for 2.57 again sigh..

also there is now a <browser> <stack> in 2.53.10b1 pre, so test it has not broken anything

input field date now works in 2.53.10b1 pre but still needs some styling for Modern. time works too but is prefed off (as in latest Fx)

what is that pref?

dom.forms.datetime.timepicker

thanks

Next goal will be intl.locale and datetime stuff but first things first.

Release Train

We will do a 2.53.9.1

ESR78.14 backports, a few crash fixes and a regression fix for images not displaying.

Also switch the default font to sans-serif for mail

2.53.x.1 releases are becoming routine, eh?

ibb.co/dKryPVW (visible till tomorrow) for a preliminary bug list.

2.53.10 has so much new stuff and is still missing l10n translations so better to get some fixes out.

makes sense then

And the betas (including pre builds) are not tested enough it seems or the image bug would not have crept in.

Extensions Tracking

cZ gets the most love right now. JustOff updated the polyfill for github and gitlab.

github-wc-polyfill is now up to 1.2.4

We are only using gitlab as a repo basically so no big loss when they break us as long as command line git works.

we would still rather they didn't

2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable

Well they don't care about "minority" browsers. As loang as they are free I don't care if they don't care.

The usual bau from me.

Ditto

And a message to people telling us the we have web compatibility problems: We know and if you want to help out fixing them you are welcome.

AOB?

bau

next meeting is in 2 weeks time

see you in October!

same bat time, same bat channel

thanks for your time today

bye

c u rsx11m

bye all and still here :)

teruna: the build process seems to be working so far with clang 12.0.1 - thanks :)

see in the next meeting~

frg_Away: love that message, but I would send it to webdevs instead

they're the ones causing all of us this pain

tomman well one against the world will do us no good. And while I "disagree" with a lot of the new stuff and the direction all this is heading there is still a need for updating specs and language. Some things like the optional chaing operator are actuall quite useful. As I always say a browser is not a museum :)

IanN: Good to hear. :-)

frg_Away: gonna steal that phrase~

github.com/dothq/browser I thought Gecko-based browsers were dead, nice to see some competition

...but then

why using emojis on nearly every single git commit!?

tomman these are usually one man/woman/martian forks either not deviating much from the mainline or dead in a month.

I'm not gonna use it (braindamaged UI is still there), but the last thing the world need is yet another Chrome skin

hope it lasts for some time

...still wondering why there is absolutely zero coverage of SeaMonkey on Hackernews

even Pale Moon gets mentioned once in a blue moon (with the same obnoxious "it's old, hence it's UNSAAAAAFE!!!" snarky remarks)

the comments on this browser are sadly not that different: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28584630

web developers actually telling explicitly which features they need or at least having unobfuscated code that can be debugged is of course better than some cases I've seen

when you serve a pile of spaghetti that errors out somewhere in line one and that is full of unreadability layers, it becomes a lot more difficult to identify the problem

s@the problem@problems@

njsg: they will claim that serving unobfuscated code kills performance, wastes bandwidth (that costs money), and even exposes them to the risk of intellectual property theft

which, while being valid reasons, are still lame excuses to not getting involved with web browser development

how do i change the start page?

Walter: Edit->Preferences->Browser

oh~