13:43:35 <tomman> https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases/tag/1.2.4
13:43:45 <tomman> https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/issues/28#issuecomment-922266500
13:43:46 <tomman> awesome~!
13:44:09 <tomman> https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/commit/5522a5ffb6a0522e11dd684cce5c5e99ae6c24ce
13:44:24 <tomman> wow, so much junk just for a little feature
13:44:53 <tomman> (what the hell is an "epic" in Gitlab parlance?)
13:48:24 <tomman> in the meanwhile, Gitlab doesn't care, they're too busy with their IPO https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28568101
15:06:38 <fantomas> hmm, github page doesn't look 100% working in 2.53.9
15:12:14 <tomman> fantomas: are you using JustOff's addon?
15:13:02 <fantomas> no, should I?
15:13:05 <fantomas> I have some addons...
15:13:43 <tomman> you should
15:13:55 <tomman> it "unbreaks" Github because of Google WebComponents
15:14:02 <tomman> https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases/tag/1.2.4
15:14:16 <fantomas> oh, great to know. I remember a few times sites got unbroke by upgrading SM
15:14:23 <tomman> you also need it for GitLab
15:14:42 <tomman> their official position is basically "legacy browsers don't exist CLOSED WONTFIX USECHROME"
15:15:32 <tomman> eventually once we get WebComponents and a few other JS Chromeisms™, we may not need the addon anymore
15:15:52 <tomman> ...but by then, I guess they should have deployed more Chromeisms™, leading us to a neverending vicious circle
15:17:05 <fantomas> yes USECHROME is like USEMSIE some 10 years ago
15:17:29 <tomman> but worse
15:17:42 <tomman> at least IE did things differently, but didn't reinvented the wheel every 6 weeks
15:18:13 <tomman> IE stagnated the web, but Chrome is pushing it to the cliff
15:18:42 <fantomas> (why) isn't that extension available on addons.m.o?
15:19:41 <tomman> beats me
15:19:49 <tomman> but JustOff is to be trusted, thankfully
15:19:57 <tomman> ...wait
15:20:03 <fantomas> hopefully.
15:20:10 <tomman> IIRC AMO no longer serves XUL addons
15:20:26 <tomman> we're supposed to use Thunderbird's addon site nowadays
15:20:54 <tomman> https://addons.thunderbird.net/
15:20:59 <fantomas> well, SM addons page got me there and I see some justoff's addons, but not this one
15:22:32 <tomman> would be nice to file a "please upload there" issue on its Github bugtracker then
15:26:04 <fantomas> https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/issues/29
15:27:39 <fantomas> looks like python2 is still available in debian 11 so the compilation was successful
15:28:15 <tomman> Didn't Debian finished their Python2ectomy with Bullseye?
15:28:55 <tomman> I had a couple of cellphone/networking applications die with the latest release because of Python 2 removals
15:29:02 <tomman> (wammu and wicd)
15:29:39 <tomman> ...but to be fair, those have been abandoned upstream years ago, and all efforts to port them to Python 3 stalled hard
15:32:48 <fantomas> I was thinking so but then I noticed they added python-is-python2 package  with some symlinks... that's why I was able to compile SM now
15:36:10 <fantomas> mozilla-devscripts still depends on python2, and two  more pkgs
15:48:19 <frg_Away> Getting rid of python 2 is in the works. Just need a few 48h a day weeks for all the stuff :)
15:51:52 <fantomas> great
16:04:42 <mahdi[m]> wau thanks for https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/releases our company gitlab broke like two three weeks ago in SM and it  works again :) cheers
16:05:25 <tomman> mahdi[m]: suggest your company to migrate away from GitLab then
16:05:32 <tomman> this war is going to continue, sadly
16:08:14 <mahdi[m]> well we moved from p4 and jenkins, I have to say gitlab is huuge step forward (CI and all stuff around)
16:10:04 <frg_Away> Well even in Credge it is slow now. Ang thinple things like keeping the position in the commit list when you use the go back button are not working. But I am sure the CE emoticons are great :)
16:13:09 <frg_Away> Make it simple things. Just a thinple typo
16:19:25 <frg_Away> mahdi[m] In theory I agree but at the mercy of an unreliable third party is not my cup of trea. Previously you at least had release cycles. Now it is just mud and constant upgrades and deprecation.
16:27:22 <tomman> Move And Break Things Fast™
16:27:26 <tomman> the sure way to an IPO
16:29:04 <njsg> tomman: I'd say it's not even "legacy browsers", it's "other browsers"
16:29:35 <tomman> the problem is that any browser that isn't Chrome is considered to be a "legacy browser" because it doesn't support the latest Chromeisms™
16:30:01 <tomman> I guess that in protest, we should match Safari capabilities rather than Chrome's
16:30:27 <tomman> modern webdevs love their Apples but hate hate hate Safari because it's "borderline legacy"
16:30:55 <tomman> and they only have to deal with it because you've got no choice on iOS
16:33:11 <njsg> remember the days IE6 sometimes actually prevented this kind of stuff simply by existing?
16:34:41 <tomman> ironic, indeed
16:36:40 <frg_Away> tomman well they are all the same now. On a company level you might need to go with the flow but personally I make sure not the spend a penny on services like the one gitlab provides and also not depend on them. Does not make a dent in their revenue but I sleep better and there is always another service for free. I even pay for some like my email provider  :)