02:58:51 <tomman> Oh, cZ finally has a network editor after all these years
02:58:52 <tomman> COOL!
02:59:02 <tomman> now finally I can give Rizon the respect it deserves~
10:49:11 <verblendet> its me again, the cry baby... i now got 2.53.1 installed. the only 2.53 version running on my old debian 8. and i do not upgrade my system yet!
10:49:37 <verblendet> its working.... BUT, it will autoupdate, and this breaks everything up in my system, ... i dont explain.
10:49:46 <verblendet> i roll backl using a backup copy of seamonkey folder.
10:50:24 <verblendet> where exactly is the option to DISABLE autoupdate oin gth esettings? i can not find it. and i will start going crazy and run my head against the wall soon.
10:50:28 <IanN_Away> Preferences > Advanced > Software Installation
10:51:42 <verblendet> there is NO such option in my seamonkey!
10:51:53 <verblendet> it is not there!
10:52:20 <verblendet> check default.... crash reporter, dev tools, thats all i have. no "software installation"
10:52:31 <verblendet> seamonbkey 2.53.1 64 bit on linux
10:52:38 <IanN_Away> let me download 2.53.1 and check
10:52:41 <verblendet> there is NO option to disable it
10:53:21 <verblendet> and everytime i use a copy of non updated working seamonkey i loose all my settings cookies logins... and all thaht crap.
10:53:24 <verblendet> im going crazy!
10:55:21 <IanN_Away> just checked on a fresh download of seamonkey 2.53.1, definitely there under Preferences > Advanced > Software Installation
10:55:34 <IanN_Away> is it the en-US version you have?
10:56:11 <verblendet> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1
10:56:11 <verblendet> Build identifier: 20200222185934
10:56:40 <IanN_Away> try about:config and search for app.update.enabled and set it to false
10:57:33 <verblendet> and app.update.auto/$&&%�%&�&%$/& too i guess
10:57:49 <verblendet> done, lets see how long it works
10:58:33 <IanN_Away> not sure why you don't see Software Installation
10:59:35 <njsg> could that mean it's disabled?
10:59:53 <njsg> I mean, that it was built with updates disabled
11:00:17 <njsg> (which then wouldn't be the official build)
11:00:31 <verblendet> https://pasteimg.com/image/cuEyM
11:01:20 <verblendet> it is definitely no t disabled as i reported.... and it is definitely not an option in my adv prefs, see screenshot
11:01:21 <njsg> verblendet: open advanced on the tree pane, there's an arrow/+ sign of some sort on the left even if it's not very visible
11:01:39 <njsg> verblendet: or just click advanced on the left side pane and hit the right arrow, that should expand it as well
11:01:46 <verblendet> DAMN!
11:01:51 <njsg> what's on that screenshot is the general/root advanced pane, I think
11:01:52 <IanN_Away> that looks like it is not the official build with the spelling of calendar
11:01:55 <verblendet> WTF? ... sorry
11:02:12 <verblendet> i just have this calendar plugin installed but it is disabled.
11:03:02 <verblendet> invisble plus sign... i need a coffee... beer... or better vodka
11:03:36 <IanN_Away> I suspect that is something to do with the window manager theme
11:03:42 <verblendet> seems i have some sort of gtk problems...
11:04:07 <njsg> it is sometimes hard to predict what the interaction between SM theme and the "platform" UI theme will be
11:05:03 <frg_Away> verblendet. It seems you have a German Lightning. If 2.53.1 works so should the subsequent versions. We built on CentOS 7 and it is ancient. I usually test the i386 version on Ubuntu 14.04.06. Remove Lightning and any Language pack you have installed from the old version and try to upgrade. I am quite sure it will work. Lightning will be provided and you can then install a later language...
11:05:05 <frg_Away> ...pack if needed. The only thing which might still break it is ancient add-ons.
11:05:40 <njsg> in a profile I have here using the SM default theme, some things are harder to see with the selected gtk theme
11:12:40 <verblendet> :O using the modern theme i see an arrow indicatin submenus....
11:12:58 <verblendet> i used default theme before
11:13:32 <frg_Away> Broken Linux theme then when it does not show arrows.
11:13:57 <IanN_Away> default theme relies on the window manager theme whereas modern theme uses it's own icons
11:18:27 <verblendet> OK, i used modern theme, i removed lightning, disabled ALL extensions. started seamonbkey again, press update to 2.53.9..... update runs... restart sm... and my windows is empty
11:19:26 <verblendet> but i still see "termine und aufgaben" on top... but no other menu. and lightning is uninstalled....
11:19:47 <verblendet> where to uninstall a language pack?
11:20:36 <verblendet> there is a directory in extensions folder... i remove it
11:20:55 <verblendet> but it says chatzilla... hmm
11:21:28 <IanN_Away> verblendet: add-on manager
11:22:15 <verblendet> wow, i needed to unsinstall lightning 3 times.....
11:23:23 <frg_Away> verblendet If it starts up it means the library dependencies are resolved. Can you try with a new test profile. If this doesn't work it is something else like graphics drivers.
11:23:41 <verblendet> i have english GB lang pack.. can i remove all ? so the list is empty
11:24:52 <frg_Away> verblendet yes. Then en-US or better the language of the installer will be used.
11:25:32 <frg_Away> The first language packs were marked as compatible with all 2.53.* versions which exactly cause these problems.
11:25:44 <verblendet> omg... now it is in german.... ouch
11:26:01 <verblendet> i may have accidently downloaded a german static built
11:27:19 <verblendet> omg omg omg, update works :D
11:40:52 <verblendet> ok, as i removed all language packs and have a german sm now... i tried to find extensions and english lang packs... but ... erm... sm seems not to be supported very well.... https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/search/?q=english&platform=linux&page=&cat=55&atype=1
11:41:47 <IanN_Away> verblendet: http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.9/langpack/
11:42:15 <verblendet> the �page above was a link in seamonkey! more about addons....
11:43:40 <frg_Away> verblendet you can download the full en-US or en-GB installer and just install/unpack over the current one if you don't want the German version.
11:43:58 <verblendet> yepp. seems the better solution
11:46:07 <frg_Away> We currently don't have a way to update language packs but at least they should no longer break the build after an update.
11:54:54 <WG9s> verblendet: i believe the issue with langpacks before that they did not do cZ or calendar have now been resolved.
11:55:48 <verblendet> hmmm, for some reason i have ligning installed again.... does it come witgh the default us built?
11:56:36 <verblendet> extension and addon support for sm seems poor.... all the good old plugins wont work
11:57:15 <verblendet> searching the website above is very frusttrating when it says: here you have seamonkey plugins.. and they are all greyed out
11:57:47 <verblendet> is this still the "the coder has hardcoded firefox in the plugin" thingy?
11:59:07 <frg_Away> verblendet Lightning cZ and DOMi come bundled. You can only disable them. One reason to not being able to uninstall is to make the update work better.
11:59:13 <WG9s> verblendet: lightning and cZ are now packaged in.  that is why the langpacks now work for them
12:00:23 <frg_Away> plugin support is basically dead. NPAPI is being removed. Classic add-ons still work and are updated by some still.
12:00:25 <WG9s> you have to pick the problems you want to solve.  If cZ and lightning are not packaged in, then langpacks are not really a thing that works
12:01:39 <WG9s> Although in the case of cZ there at least were cZ langpacks but then an issue with needed a cZ and cZ langpack for the correct SeaMonkey version
12:01:54 <WG9s> so this is kind of better but different
12:02:25 <verblendet> ah i mean addons not plugins... anyway, i cant find some on the mozilla website... all says "this is not compatible..." but e.g. adblock i can download and manually install and works
12:02:43 <verblendet> i remember hacking some manifest files and change strings to make addony work
12:03:41 <frg_Away> verblendet Links to NoScript and uBlock Origin are in the release notes. I strongly suggest to not use Adblock Plus any longer.
12:04:11 <WG9s> https://addons.thunderbird.net
12:12:59 <verblendet> WG9s, https://www.imgpaste.net/image/KX8ISB
12:13:04 <verblendet> erm.....
12:13:28 <verblendet> thats what i mean. i dont see a list of sm compatible addons....
12:13:39 <verblendet> most of te stuff is marked as not compatible
12:13:50 <verblendet> even if it has a big sm logo on top... hrhrhrhr
12:14:59 <WG9s> verblendet: I wonder if we need to update the compatabilty of the add-ons to allow 2.53.9 becuase perhaps have a 2.53.8 maxversion?
12:16:14 <verblendet> maybe.....
12:18:50 <frg_Away> This is something the add-on author needs to do after checking for compatibility. You can download and modify install.rdf yourself and test.
12:19:07 <frg_Away> No signing requirement.
12:20:35 <verblendet> xpi is a zip file, right?
12:21:00 <WG9s> Yes it is just a zip file
12:21:05 <frg_Away> yes
12:21:30 <WG9s> you can unzip change install.rdf and then rezip and then install form file on the add-ons page
12:22:21 <frg_Away> IF they have a META-INF directory remove it too. Contains the signing information.
12:24:20 <njsg> verblendet: addon sites can add to the confusion, sadly
12:24:46 <njsg> as thunderbird has moved to webexts, you sometimes have to dig working versions from the version history in addons.thunderbird.net
12:27:04 <WG9s> if you change the maxVersion you might try 2.53.* rther than changing it to .9 just sayin'
12:28:46 <frg_Away> They have actually moved to mailexts. Web Extensions were never designed for anything but browser and teh gecko implementation is a bad mix of backend and frontend Firefox only so they need to add apis and code to support it for almost everything. One of the reasons I think web exts are crap but again one against the world will work out well. Thank mozilla for it.
22:41:37 <gry> hm
22:42:00 <frg_Away> mh
22:43:06 <WG9s_> hmmh
22:53:15 <njsg> mhmmhm