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tomman
Oh, cZ finally has a network editor after all these years
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tomman
COOL!
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tomman
now finally I can give Rizon the respect it deserves~
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verblendet
its me again, the cry baby... i now got 2.53.1 installed. the only 2.53 version running on my old debian 8. and i do not upgrade my system yet!
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verblendet
its working.... BUT, it will autoupdate, and this breaks everything up in my system, ... i dont explain.
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verblendet
i roll backl using a backup copy of seamonkey folder.
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verblendet
where exactly is the option to DISABLE autoupdate oin gth esettings? i can not find it. and i will start going crazy and run my head against the wall soon.
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IanN_Away
Preferences > Advanced > Software Installation
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verblendet
there is NO such option in my seamonkey!
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verblendet
it is not there!
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verblendet
check default.... crash reporter, dev tools, thats all i have. no "software installation"
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verblendet
seamonbkey 2.53.1 64 bit on linux
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IanN_Away
let me download 2.53.1 and check
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verblendet
there is NO option to disable it
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verblendet
and everytime i use a copy of non updated working seamonkey i loose all my settings cookies logins... and all thaht crap.
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verblendet
im going crazy!
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IanN_Away
just checked on a fresh download of seamonkey 2.53.1, definitely there under Preferences > Advanced > Software Installation
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IanN_Away
is it the en-US version you have?
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verblendet
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1
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verblendet
Build identifier: 20200222185934
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IanN_Away
try about:config and search for app.update.enabled and set it to false
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verblendet
and app.update.auto/$&&%�%&�&%$/& too i guess
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verblendet
done, lets see how long it works
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IanN_Away
not sure why you don't see Software Installation
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njsg
could that mean it's disabled?
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njsg
I mean, that it was built with updates disabled
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njsg
(which then wouldn't be the official build)
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verblendet
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verblendet
it is definitely no t disabled as i reported.... and it is definitely not an option in my adv prefs, see screenshot
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njsg
verblendet: open advanced on the tree pane, there's an arrow/+ sign of some sort on the left even if it's not very visible
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njsg
verblendet: or just click advanced on the left side pane and hit the right arrow, that should expand it as well
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verblendet
DAMN!
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njsg
what's on that screenshot is the general/root advanced pane, I think
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IanN_Away
that looks like it is not the official build with the spelling of calendar
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verblendet
WTF? ... sorry
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verblendet
i just have this calendar plugin installed but it is disabled.
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verblendet
invisble plus sign... i need a coffee... beer... or better vodka
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IanN_Away
I suspect that is something to do with the window manager theme
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verblendet
seems i have some sort of gtk problems...
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njsg
it is sometimes hard to predict what the interaction between SM theme and the "platform" UI theme will be
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frg_Away
verblendet. It seems you have a German Lightning. If 2.53.1 works so should the subsequent versions. We built on CentOS 7 and it is ancient. I usually test the i386 version on Ubuntu 14.04.06. Remove Lightning and any Language pack you have installed from the old version and try to upgrade. I am quite sure it will work. Lightning will be provided and you can then install a later language...
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frg_Away
...pack if needed. The only thing which might still break it is ancient add-ons.
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njsg
in a profile I have here using the SM default theme, some things are harder to see with the selected gtk theme
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verblendet
:O using the modern theme i see an arrow indicatin submenus....
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verblendet
i used default theme before
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frg_Away
Broken Linux theme then when it does not show arrows.
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IanN_Away
default theme relies on the window manager theme whereas modern theme uses it's own icons
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verblendet
OK, i used modern theme, i removed lightning, disabled ALL extensions. started seamonbkey again, press update to 2.53.9..... update runs... restart sm... and my windows is empty
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verblendet
but i still see "termine und aufgaben" on top... but no other menu. and lightning is uninstalled....
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verblendet
where to uninstall a language pack?
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verblendet
there is a directory in extensions folder... i remove it
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verblendet
but it says chatzilla... hmm
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IanN_Away
verblendet: add-on manager
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verblendet
wow, i needed to unsinstall lightning 3 times.....
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frg_Away
verblendet If it starts up it means the library dependencies are resolved. Can you try with a new test profile. If this doesn't work it is something else like graphics drivers.
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verblendet
i have english GB lang pack.. can i remove all ? so the list is empty
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frg_Away
verblendet yes. Then en-US or better the language of the installer will be used.
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frg_Away
The first language packs were marked as compatible with all 2.53.* versions which exactly cause these problems.
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verblendet
omg... now it is in german.... ouch
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verblendet
i may have accidently downloaded a german static built
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verblendet
omg omg omg, update works :D
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verblendet
ok, as i removed all language packs and have a german sm now... i tried to find extensions and english lang packs... but ... erm... sm seems not to be supported very well....
addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamon…platform=linux&page=&cat=55&atype=1
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IanN_Away
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verblendet
the �page above was a link in seamonkey! more about addons....
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frg_Away
verblendet you can download the full en-US or en-GB installer and just install/unpack over the current one if you don't want the German version.
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verblendet
yepp. seems the better solution
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frg_Away
We currently don't have a way to update language packs but at least they should no longer break the build after an update.
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WG9s
verblendet: i believe the issue with langpacks before that they did not do cZ or calendar have now been resolved.
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verblendet
hmmm, for some reason i have ligning installed again.... does it come witgh the default us built?
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verblendet
extension and addon support for sm seems poor.... all the good old plugins wont work
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verblendet
searching the website above is very frusttrating when it says: here you have seamonkey plugins.. and they are all greyed out
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verblendet
is this still the "the coder has hardcoded firefox in the plugin" thingy?
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frg_Away
verblendet Lightning cZ and DOMi come bundled. You can only disable them. One reason to not being able to uninstall is to make the update work better.
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WG9s
verblendet: lightning and cZ are now packaged in. that is why the langpacks now work for them
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frg_Away
plugin support is basically dead. NPAPI is being removed. Classic add-ons still work and are updated by some still.
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WG9s
you have to pick the problems you want to solve. If cZ and lightning are not packaged in, then langpacks are not really a thing that works
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WG9s
Although in the case of cZ there at least were cZ langpacks but then an issue with needed a cZ and cZ langpack for the correct SeaMonkey version
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WG9s
so this is kind of better but different
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verblendet
ah i mean addons not plugins... anyway, i cant find some on the mozilla website... all says "this is not compatible..." but e.g. adblock i can download and manually install and works
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verblendet
i remember hacking some manifest files and change strings to make addony work
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frg_Away
verblendet Links to NoScript and uBlock Origin are in the release notes. I strongly suggest to not use Adblock Plus any longer.
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WG9s
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verblendet
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verblendet
erm.....
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verblendet
thats what i mean. i dont see a list of sm compatible addons....
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verblendet
most of te stuff is marked as not compatible
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verblendet
even if it has a big sm logo on top... hrhrhrhr
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WG9s
verblendet: I wonder if we need to update the compatabilty of the add-ons to allow 2.53.9 becuase perhaps have a 2.53.8 maxversion?
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verblendet
maybe.....
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frg_Away
This is something the add-on author needs to do after checking for compatibility. You can download and modify install.rdf yourself and test.
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frg_Away
No signing requirement.
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verblendet
xpi is a zip file, right?
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WG9s
Yes it is just a zip file
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frg_Away
yes
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WG9s
you can unzip change install.rdf and then rezip and then install form file on the add-ons page
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frg_Away
IF they have a META-INF directory remove it too. Contains the signing information.
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njsg
verblendet: addon sites can add to the confusion, sadly
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njsg
as thunderbird has moved to webexts, you sometimes have to dig working versions from the version history in addons.thunderbird.net
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WG9s
if you change the maxVersion you might try 2.53.* rther than changing it to .9 just sayin'
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frg_Away
They have actually moved to mailexts. Web Extensions were never designed for anything but browser and teh gecko implementation is a bad mix of backend and frontend Firefox only so they need to add apis and code to support it for almost everything. One of the reasons I think web exts are crap but again one against the world will work out well. Thank mozilla for it.
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gry
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frg_Away
mh
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WG9s_
hmmh
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njsg
mhmmhm