00:09:32 <tomman> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/lldGDr wtf, I can now run Doom on my GPU, literally
00:09:53 <tomman> (yes, it works on SeaMonkey - 12FPS here on prehistoric Sandy Bridge graphics with Mesa)
00:10:46 <tomman> soon we'll be able tor run Linux on our GPU---wait, IT HAS BEEN DONE: https://blog.pimaker.at/texts/rvc1/
11:39:13 <WG9s_> GrannyGoose: I see your IRC client did not like my way tomake the topic human readable and shorter.  I tested using chatzilla and it did not include the ; in the link
11:40:01 <WG9s_> I actually had made this change when 2.53.9b1 was released.  I guess no one with a client that does not exclude the ; since august 11th.
11:43:19 <GrannyGoose> WG9s_, i use Hexchat. an its pretty much out of date but it works for me, i hate bloatware like adiircx
11:45:41 <GrannyGoose> i might be wrong but afaict, ADIIRC is just a fork of MIRC
11:46:28 <WG9s_> i should not have used ; anyway becuase if it does get included in a link is really a vulneablity exploit of bad cgi-bin scripts character. funny thing is in older webserver that included sample cgi-bin scripts they ended up taking the query string and passing it to a shell and ; is the shell caommand seperator so by including a ; in the string you could folow it with any arbirary command...
11:46:30 <WG9s_> ...that would run with the privilege of the webserver.
11:47:48 <WG9s_> too bad you cant specify an html topic so you can say what should be linked and what the link target should be.  you could get a shorter topic and avoid such issues.
11:50:18 <WG9s_> so you could linkify SeaMonkey Stable 2.53.9 and make it go to https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ without that even have to show as part of the topic.
11:50:53 <GrannyGoose> problem with IRC in generasl i think unles you use that website that shortens URL's ?
11:54:16 <GrannyGoose> anyway im off to bed
12:28:53 <verblendet> hi, for no reason my good old seamonkey updated automagicalley. this brings me now intro great trouble! i never started the update my own, and no auto updater is activated as i know.
12:29:15 <verblendet> now, i open seamonkey mail and se NOTHING! blank windows, just a stupid calendar plugin seems to work
12:29:40 <verblendet> no hotkeys, nothing. how do i get my old seamonkey back, i need it urgently. i need my emails, bookmarks i colllected fopr years
12:29:50 <verblendet> and why the fuck does this happen?
12:30:21 <verblendet> i believed in sm so much... but sutoupdating and breaking everything on my old linux is a big pain
12:30:38 <verblendet> how to get my old version back? where is the backup directory the updater created?
12:30:40 <frg_Away> verblendet. Which version did you run? Updates are onyl enabled for 2.53.1 and up.
12:30:44 <verblendet> it created a backup right?
12:30:54 <frg_Away> And basically only work for 2.53.5 and up.
12:31:15 <verblendet> i have no clue which version i ran before as it updated. and this is shit. 2.53 never worked for me for the above reason with empty windows and older linux debian 8 or so
12:31:34 <verblendet> fact is the updater ran. so where is the backup ?
12:31:42 <verblendet> the updater created a backup, right? right?
12:31:50 <verblendet> i am sure it created a backup ;)
12:32:04 <verblendet> as no serious coder would do it without, right?
12:32:40 <verblendet> and the user hgas to decide if the updater is run automagiocally, not by default. this is a fail!
12:33:07 <njsg> verblendet: first figure out what updated what.
12:33:13 <frg_Away> No You just need to reinstall the old version manually. But if it was 2.53 you should just fix up your profile. Did you use a custom theme or an old language pack?
12:33:21 <njsg> verblendet: linux? any chance it was the package manager that updated it?
12:33:26 <verblendet> what updated what? he?
12:33:41 <verblendet> i use seamoinkey tar gz usually, no stupid packagemanager
12:33:49 <njsg> verblendet: well, was seamonkey updated or not?
12:33:53 <verblendet> apt has no clue about my seamonkey
12:34:15 <verblendet> it was updated when i started sm as usual and then the damn useless updater started for no reason!
12:34:18 <verblendet> as i said
12:34:25 <njsg> speaking of backups? Backup your profile *now*. just in case any further step causes damage or removes any file that may be useful
12:34:41 <verblendet> yes, updater usually damage stuff....
12:34:56 <verblendet> so its the job of a seriouos updater to warn me and dont do it autopmagically, damnit
12:35:17 <frg_Away> verblendet The updater started because you left enable updates checked in the preferences. Otherwise it wouldn't.
12:35:37 <verblendet> then it owuld have updated yesterday already and ort the day before... etc
12:35:52 <verblendet> i just logge dout and restarted window manager and restartet sm as usual
12:36:08 <verblendet> there is NO level 8/9 error
12:36:13 <njsg> verblendet: so you were *not* using 2.53? You know which version you were using?
12:36:35 <verblendet> it was definitely a version <1.5
12:36:37 <verblendet> 2.5
12:36:47 <njsg> you mean <2.53?
12:37:01 <verblendet> as 2.5 and ongoing wont work as i explained before, empty windows ... no hotkeys, just empty windows without menu.
12:37:23 <verblendet> <2.5 is also <2.53, right? something like 2.3 or so
12:37:34 <verblendet> the backup would tell me :P
12:38:10 <verblendet> and i dont have space to vreate backup of my profile right now, argh. >30gb
12:38:58 <IanN_Away> verblendet: 32 bit or 64 bit linux?
12:41:34 <verblendet> 64
12:41:35 <njsg> 2.3 or 2.4 really shouldn't have been able to update, I think, certificate and/or encryption suite issues
12:41:59 <verblendet> in case i can fix a newer version and it will run... how to disable autoupdater? is it enabled by default?
12:42:13 <verblendet> is there a list of aut,gaisms in sm? so i can disable them?
12:42:25 <njsg> Aren't these all in the same preference pane?
12:42:31 <IanN_Away> verblendet: for versions downloaded from the SM website it is enabled as default
12:42:40 <frg_Away> If you knew it was 2.5 it is here: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.5/
12:42:41 <frg_Away> As far as I know autoupdates for old versions to 2.53 were disabled and they should stay disabled. Edit->Preferences->SoftWare Installation
12:42:43 <verblendet> ok, and how to disable?
12:43:17 <njsg> not showing anything... I'd guess either some extension or lang pack (try safe mode), or wrong profile
12:43:20 <verblendet> ok, first thing on my list, disable autoupdater stuff.
12:43:23 <frg_Away> Just untick Automatically check for Updates.
12:43:27 <njsg> but I guess then mail&news would have shown the "create account" wizard
12:43:47 <njsg> verblendet: did you get an account creation wizard when you opened mail&news?
12:43:53 <verblendet> no
12:44:14 <verblendet> a new sm starts up and i get a mail window and i see only the calendar
12:44:25 <verblendet> no menu for mail etc, no hotkeys for browser etc.
12:44:50 <njsg> can you take a screenshot? Also, can you try "seamonkey --safe-mode"?
12:45:44 <verblendet> i dont risk starting it again damaging my profile completely. NO
12:45:48 <IanN_Away> It was with 2.49.x that linux 64bit was available officially
12:46:39 <njsg> verblendet: then what about you run "seamonkey --ProfileManager" and create a new profile for testing
12:48:24 <verblendet> got a backup and will no continue my work. someday i get a newer linux and a newer sm. first have to get a hdd to create another backup of my profile.
12:48:32 <verblendet> wasted 2h now
14:37:52 <tomman> verblendet: have you tried starting with a CLEAN profile?
14:38:17 <tomman> also, FWIW no web browser ever made backups of the prior version before autoupdating, except maybe for IE
14:39:05 <tomman> I get that feeling ("it autoupdated, not everything is broken!"), for real, but... need to be calm for troubleshooting
14:39:27 <tomman> also, Debian 8 has been EOL'd since 2017 (and 2020 for ELTS)
14:39:58 <tomman> time also to get used to do manual backups of everything - I do regular full disk images, particularly before huge OS updates