13:31:26 Meet starts in 29 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-08-08 13:48:03 Meet starts in 12 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-08-08 13:49:26 Hi frg, IanN, Maniel and all! 13:49:41 WaltS48 Hi 13:50:50 Walt48: Howdy-Dody to you, too, Walt! 13:51:39 hello all 13:52:29 hi WaltS48 13:52:38 Maniel: Don't tell anyone I'm testing chat using the TB 91 rc on Windows 10. 13:53:23 WaltS48: AH!! You turncoat, you!! ;-P 13:53:35 Maniel tonymec Hi 13:54:28 hi tonymec 13:54:35 hi Maniel 13:54:38 frg: Gee Whiz, should I feel real esteemed, being included in such lofty company?? ;-) 13:55:09 hi everybody! 13:55:32 hiya njsg 13:55:34 With bottom feeders like me it might not be an honor :D 13:55:42 Hi njsg 13:55:46 Meet starts in 5 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-08-08 13:59:24 hi WG9s_ 13:59:54 hi ian 14:00:11 hi frg ans njsg 14:00:45 Hi WG9s_ rsx11m 14:00:55 howdy! 14:01:25 Meet time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-08-08 14:01:30 hi rsx11m 14:02:12 hi IanN 14:02:15 Who's taking minutes? 14:02:53 me 14:02:57 thanks frg 14:03:00 Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank? 14:03:12 Dirk Fieldhouse Gives really good help over in alt.comp.software.seamonkey 14:03:20 seconded 14:03:29 thirded 14:03:49 hi rsx11m hi WaltS48 14:04:11 Action Items 14:06:16 Nothing new from me. Fixed a website typo but was really busy with other things SeaMonkey and life. 14:07:43 freenode switched to SASL only, so looks like another set of users have been removed from there 14:08:44 Yes not even good for testing now. 14:09:50 Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure 14:10:55 Updating the Windows builder right now for 2.53.9b1. I donÄt think aynthing else from me. ewong is working on the crash reporter. Deadline has been extended one last time. 14:11:28 deadline for both SM and TB is now 31st October 14:12:12 The SM .hu domain transfer is almost completed now 14:12:37 We discussed using clang 11 for macOS builds but clang 11 dislikes CentOS 7 (needs later glibc) so need to wait. 14:12:41 * tonymec has switched off SASL, it was popping up a password popup at every connect or reconnect. /ns identify is better behaved and (with /ns rather than /msg nickserv) doesn't display the password. Of course it can be found if you know where too look but that applies to password manager too and I'm the only user of this PC. 14:13:39 tonymec: latest builds from Bill should have fixed that issue 14:14:02 tonymec: passwords are now stored against username rather than nickname 14:14:21 tonymec: and against network rather than server 14:15:16 IanN: fixed? they haven't. I'm using them and it got worse since last meeting a fortnight ago. 14:15:18 Unrelated: I am having a hard time testing sasl and stored passwords so if it works let us know for the patch review. 14:23:04 tonymec: I will need steps on how to reproduce your current issue. The testing I've been doing with the current patch only prompted the once 14:25:05 This has been happening for some time but I never got around to mention it: after some time, especially on Facebook, memory use increses beyond limit (12 GB and more), Sm momopolizes the time of one of my CPU cores, and becomes sluggish (if I type faster than 1 keystroke every 2 or 3 seconds it loses up to half of them). If Facebook is the culprit I don't know which part of it is. 14:25:18 Also make sure the old stored passwords are gone. Not sure if this could confuse the code but it looked ok to me. 14:26:15 IanN: well, here it asks for a PW every time, even when reconnecting after the server detected a timeout, so I've disabled it. That's OK by me. 14:27:16 tonsmec facebook is garbage. 2.53.9 should have a fix for image memory allocation but there might be a bad script on the page. 14:28:46 frg: yeah, I guess there's a script somewhere with a never-ending loop. Only workaround I've found is restart SeaMonkey. 14:28:50 Bug 1674295 for Firefox. 14:32:30 frg: ah, interesting. What is ffmpeg? 14:32:33 tonymec: so in my password manager I have an entry for ircs://libera.chat/ (sasl) and ircs://libera.chat/ (nick) 14:32:57 IanN: hm. 14:33:01 tonymec: for SASL it automatically takes the password from password manager 14:33:28 tonymec: for non-SASL I have use /identify and again it takes the password from password manager 14:34:34 frg: "FFmpeg is a free and open-source software project consisting of a large suite of libraries and programs for handling video, audio, and other multimedia files and streams." 14:35:29 tonymec: if I put /identify into Auto-perform it then automatically takes the password from password manager again 14:35:42 IanN: with SASL disabled I have a server startup line under "Lists" for libera: "/ns identify " and it takes it from there. 14:35:52 There are other bugs too not just this one. Maybe we can continue and move the bug hunting to after the meeting. 14:36:19 frg: OK 14:37:22 Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree 14:38:10 All building I think. 2.53 is at 2.53.10b1 pre now. 14:40:35 and we're on rust 1.54 for 2.53.x 14:40:43 (I think) 14:41:31 Release Train 14:41:48 Just installed on the Windows builder. Lets see how it pans out on Linux but should be ok I think. 14:42:00 2.5.3.9b1 is due this week 14:43:00 Source code is in gitlab now and can be downloaded. Remember that you need JustOffs polyfill add-on for gitlab 14:43:51 Has about 1500 or so new patches. Bigger release this time. 14:45:15 at 78.13 on security fixes too 14:46:02 Initial ES6 modules support and the PerformanceObserver api is in.Should help with compatibility. 14:47:44 Extensions Tracking 14:48:16 CZ is being enhanced :) 14:49:26 that's the direction of travel at least 14:49:46 Getting Matrix in CZ? 14:50:10 potentially, but that requires alot of work 14:54:25 the backend of cZ needs some work first, there is lots of code duplication between cZ and what is now available in SM/toolkit 14:54:49 2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable 14:56:19 Nothing to add from me. As usual juggling stuff around to keep SeaMonkey going. 14:58:51 juggling fire sticks? 14:59:02 roundtable see above 14:59:03 IanN: didn't know about that /identify command. Been using /ns identify [] , that's good enough for me. 14:59:50 IanN hot patches and other stuff :) 15:00:10 tonymec: yes, /identify is the way to integrate with password manager and nickserv 15:00:19 don't burn your fingers ;-) 15:01:49 tonymec: using /ns doesn't link with password manager 15:02:06 AOB? 15:02:19 nope 15:02:31 IanN: I know. Thus avoiding its inconvenients, quirks and advantages. 15:02:44 okay, thanks for your time everyone 15:02:58 next meeting in 2 weeks, same bat channel, same bat time 15:03:05 yepp 15:03:06 tonymec: but do you have any password for the network in the password manager? 15:03:25 I mean, is the password dialog repeatedly showing despite there being a password stored? 15:03:29 bye! 15:03:33 bye rsx11m 15:03:44 bye 15:03:55 frg: let me see 15:04:07 tonymec are you on the latest build? 15:04:41 frg_Away: from yesterday I believe 15:06:05 bye! 15:06:19 bye WaltS48 15:06:27 WaltS48 bye 15:10:01 frg_Away: yes I am, type "/version tonymec" in cZ and you'll see; but I've been keeping sasl disabled for a week or so. I have stored passwords for "ircs://irc.eu.libera.chat:7000 (sasl), username tonymec|away" and for "ircs://irc.eu.libera.chat (sasl), username tonymec". 15:13:04 njsg: yes, or at least it did until I turned sasl off a week or so ago 15:13:04 tonymec I so far only briefly looked at the patches and I think you only want passwords for libera.chat. 15:13:53 irc.eu is the server and might not be used. But IanN should know better. 15:16:19 frg_Away: for just libera.chat I don't have any, and IIRC I cannot type passwords directly into the pwmgr, I have to go to the site in question and let it do its stuff. 15:16:41 tonymec: have you added irc.eu.libera.chat entries to the libera.chat network in network editor 15:16:44 ? 15:19:36 IanN: I've added them in chatzilla/networks.json in my SeaMonkey profile. At the same time I added isDeleted entries for moznet and freenode. 15:20:44 connecting to a server that is not listed against a network, means it will store it against the server URL rather than the networkURL 15:23:19 IanN: yeah, after I made this entries I noticed that it connected to ircs://irc.eu.libera.chat, and in case of failure to ircs://irc.eu.libera.chat:7000, but that the server tab in the cZ window now says "libera.chat". 15:25:59 s/this/these/ 15:28:57 IanN: frg_Away : do you want me to send my networks.json to the members mailing list? My ISP shut down user sites a short while ago. 15:30:26 tonymec: is it the same as https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=9229309 ? 15:30:31 tonymec Best if IanN looks. He is the expert currently. 15:32:04 IanN: yes it is. Didn't remember I had put it there. 15:40:03 frg_Away: checked my installed software. ffmpeg-3 is installed and ffmpeg-4 is available. 15:41:20 tonymec Was only one of many problems reported so might be anything. 15:41:43 frg_Away: huhuh. 15:42:00 haha 15:43:04 frg_Away: well, I'll try installing ffmpeg-4 just in case, if it breaks nothing else. 15:43:42 on the 22nd I probably won't be here. 15:43:47 bye 15:44:07 tonymec|away bye