we shld just do a global boycott of webfails

Easy to do with obvious garbage like Discord or even most banks

not so much with GiggityHub/GiggityLab or $SITE_RELATED_TO_YOUR_HOBBIES

I collect banknotes, and the day the catalog site I use daily goes full Chrome, that day I'll be REALLY pissed off

(fortunately the webdev that runs it still keeps his sanity, and prefers to invest their time cataloguing new pieces instead of deciding how to please Google)

i just have a copy of firefox esr for that stuff and i always opt to use the "old" version if they have one

i haven't used my desktop pc much anymore anyways, been so busy this summer

there is room for only ONE browser in my machines, and that's Seamonkey

if a site doesn't work there, I never come back, simple as that

fortunately I live in the land of "eternally obsolete hardware" and people still running XP, so the sites that really matter (government, banks) are still forced to preserve sanity

there have been attempts to appease the Googlesphere, but thankfully they have been limited to cellphones only :)

i usually stopped caring about this stuff once ie-only sites died

part of it is that seamonkey used to be mostly snyced with FF releasewise and it isn't anymore, that and mozilla linked to it on its website for years so it had more people coming in i think

but yeah google really screwed up webcomponents by not giving people an option for a light version of the page, kinda like the text only websites that were for lynx users

not only WebComponents™, but also the broken regex stuff too

yeh

But I place the blame more in webdevs rather than Google itself

I don't get why webdevs get all-in with the latest shiny since the moment it ships on Chrome

yeah, webdevs don't really care about users, double edged sword

because that's what they think literally everyone uses

like, for example, what benefit gives WebComponents™ that a good ol' fashioned server-side framework can't do?

(and you have to use one anyway)

I recently saw a Github project to add WebComponents™ to JavaServer Faces

as an user of JSF... I died inside

more attention, people don't care about cgi anymore

at this point I do not want "progress" (whatever that is), I want SANITY

alas, we don't live in that world anymore

current young webdevs don't know what perl is, or what apache is, they just point and click in web editors and done

we're in the world of COVID, the 737 MAX, and Cellphones First™

i want progress and sanity

I just learned that our local colleges now use VS Code

most programmers today aren't taught C or anything, the mostly focus on javascript

and i know because i've seen the classes

actually explains a lot

soon we'll have JavaScript CPUs

and GPUs won't only accelerate OpenGL/Vulkan, but also raw HTML/CSS

$DEITY help us all

i think like the dotcom nonsense from way back it'll crash down and we'll see some more sanity

good night

robobox: yeah, now having a light or text version is apparently frowned upon, you're supposed to have a "one fits all" version, which usually ends up meaning everybody will get tons of whitespace and probably also some CSS which thinks their computer is a small touchscreen device if the screen width isn't generous enough.

not that this means such things can't be done in saner ways, part of the problem is that those coding the pages don't try to get a saner version even within these technologies and approaches

at least with scripts disabled some sites are either readable or can be made so with css tweaks. but of course this tends to be an exception among js-heavy sites

2.53.8.1 crashing on Win10. about all i know at the moment. new Profile. open www.yahoo.com. crash. -safe-mode too. 10 says it has an update, so that's going in & i'll see what it does after that.

is there greasemonkey 4 or equivalent userscript manager for SM? all I'm seeing is 3.10

Megaweapon: i would assume that GM 4.x will be a webextension extension, & webextensions don't work in SeaMonkey

yeah, 4.0 is webextension, addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/versions

so you'd need 3.x whatever might have been the latest there.

win10 update & reboot, & all works again. don't know if was the update or the reboot that "fixed" things?

prior win10 update was a month back, so that wouldn't seem to be the issue. there had been recent Windows Defender (antivirus) updates, so possible something with that.

Crashes started 26th & stopped after today's Win10 update install (incl. reboot).

fwiw: crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/inde…3f90869-c1d9-4f32-98c3-f68920210727

supposedly Edge also crashed, today (before the update/reboot)

therube crash says oom. Unfortunately ewong has not uploaded the symbols yet. I can decode manually but it looks like a system specific fluke. If it happens again let me know. On the systems vm and real hardware 2.53.8.1 is exceptionally stable for me.

Says 19041. If this is still 20H1 I would update to 21H1 19043. Basically the same code level and patches for 19041 to 19043. Just a mini update.

frg_Away: I don;t think there is any difference between 20H2 updated with latest updates and 21H1 updated with latest updates

l;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;frgso, let me get this therube just posted 19mcratsh links that no longer occur after a winodws FIx?

WG9s the crashes stopped after a *combination* of newly installed Windows updates and the associate computer restart. i don't know if was something in the update or simply a computer restart that "righted" things. i didn't see anything, computer update-wise, that might have caused this (as the prior update was in June & the crashes only started yesterday). there were Windows Defender...

...updates (daily i suppose) so /perhaps/ something with that. or it might have just been the computer need a fresh reboot.

WG9s The updates and level are the same. Just some different features enabled depending on version.

With Windows 11 around the corener the 1904x levels will probably the base for Windows 10 forever. 21h2 is supposed to be 19044.

With only supporting 8th generation Intel and up plus tpm 2.0 and secure boot on requirement I think I will never run 11. Can't even test it on real hardware. But not having high hopes that MS will finally fail with it.

i think it'll work fine

> Windows Defender

oh, you mean the AV solution that has been flagging nearly everything as "potentially unwanted applications" these days?

including everything between torrent clients to historic source code to compilers to anything that resembles a keygen... even if LEGIT (yes, some of us earn our living selling software)

Windows Defender has been in a very bad streak lately

tomman Windows Defender might be bad but the competition is worse :) I always turn off love at first sight and the send samples home and cloud stuff. Then the nags which nag me about turning it off via gpedit. Ok then for me.

tomman: compilers are extremely dangerous, you see, with a compiler you could (gasp) build your own binaries!

and then it'd be harder for defender to flag everything

i've seen it flag a sunos source kit