01:33:42 It is likely that the 12-years old and mentioned in all release notes bug 521861 is near to be fixed now. Any comments are appreciated. Let's fix it finally! :) 02:13:28 Apropos: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/ should the reporting bugs link be working? 02:34:22 DMN changed their links 02:34:30 s/DMN/MDN/ 02:35:43 DaMN. 04:10:42 Lightkey: ain't that the true ;/ 04:11:44 I guess it's high time the actual build docs are placed internally on our site.. 04:11:57 * ewong notes that on a his TODO list. 05:10:07 Lightkey: there must be more broken links in the site and in the help now. they removed a lot of "outdated" content 05:44:09 buc: for news://server/group URLs with 1.0.4, the account wizard pops up right after accepting the "do you want to subscribe to ..." dialog 12:50:00 on bug 784785 and bug 1720968: the drag and drop event is possibly generated in EventStateManager.cpp - for bug 784785 it looks like there is a minimum distance below which the drag event is - at least sometimes? - *not* generated, that could be IsEventOutsideDragThreshold() 14:51:55 buc: 2.49.5 with gtk2? patched somehow? 17:30:34 Hi there... in my profile directory there is a dir called cache2 -- can this (or the contentst ) of this safely be deleted? 17:32:28 njsg: "with 1.0.4, the account wizard pops up right after accepting" -- you mean SM version 1.0.4? 17:34:04 njsg: Nothing special with 2.49.5 with gtk2, since afaik even official versions <= 2.49.4 was built eith gtk2... 17:47:37 buc: yes, 1.0.4 17:47:47 buc: er, "yes, seamonkey 1.0.4" 17:48:39 buc: it's just that I thought 2.49.5 couldn't be compiled against gtk3 out of the box^Wtarball 17:48:42 er, gtk2 17:49:33 Oh, SM-1.0.4 . I still use the home button for modern theme from SM-1.x line... 18:54:54 Cool, let's create a Matrix account... 18:55:08 > The easiest thing to do if you want to just have a play, is to use the Element web client. You can use it as a guest, or register for an account. 18:55:16 awesome, a webapp, let's go there? 18:55:21 > Your browser can't run Element 18:55:31 well, Seamonkey is not welcome to the party 18:55:54 any other options just to create an account before my blood rage level goes off the charts? 18:57:32 (For now I intend to use it on Pidgin; maybe someday there will be an Android client not built on bloaty Electron... and of course the whole thing already failed the Granny Test™) 18:59:38 anyway, another webapp bitten by the Chrome bug :/ 19:00:02 > Element uses many advanced browser features, some of which are not available or experimental in your current browser. 19:00:09 > Please install Chrome, Firefox, or Safari for the best experience. 19:00:13 that's... lulzy 19:00:15 Safari!? 19:00:45 ah yeah, Apple cellphone users are worth more than anyone using Not Chrome™ 19:08:16 they told me there is https://hydrogen.element.io/, but won't load on SM either 19:08:24 however, someone is going to check on it, which is nice 19:08:34 (that's their web client aimed at older browsers, it seems) 19:11:49 tomman I think the last time I needed to enable modules support but they might have "advanced" more so not sure. I don't care about matrix so never checked recently. Just another proprietary protocol with an open source whitewash this time. 19:13:37 frg_Away: all IM apps are terribad these days, but you're pretty much forced to use one 19:13:44 of course I'm NOT using WhatsApp 19:14:21 just registered on Telegram (I know it sucks, it's unsafe, etc, etc, etc), but normies are likely to use it, AND there is a Pidgin plugin for that, AND the cellphone version is not Electron junk and it's on F-Droid 19:14:41 if only Signal didn't went the assh*le way with its "ban" on 3rd-party clients.... 19:19:28 why have a version for older browsers and use such a feature... 19:19:49 I mean, of course it's their choice, but wouldn't it make sense to try to steer clear of such features? 19:20:10 oh, Hydrogen breaks due to JS optional chaining operator 19:20:13 > if (body?.nativeBlob) { 19:20:17 (thanks for non-minified JS! 19:20:59 https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/issues/230 19:22:06 at least that'll probably be readable without javascript :-D 19:22:43 another dev says that on a clean SM profile it doesn't happen, although it still dies due to an IndexedDB error 19:22:59 (I'm on #matrix trying to get help right now) 19:23:59 the comments in that issue sound like they're serving different code to different browsers, so could it be the UA string? or perhaps something like modules being enabled? 19:24:49 or are modules always required for all browsers? 19:25:00 Does Seamonkey support IndexedDB (whatever is that)? 19:25:07 njsg ?. is not supported. Modules need to be enabled. I am on the last patches but wanted to put more "groundwork" in first. 3 or 4 missing but seesm to be non- essential 19:25:19 apparently my browser is picking out ES6 stuff when it should not be 19:25:37 my UA is stock, except for Google and Pontoon where I had to pretend SM doesn't exist 19:26:04 tomman indexedDB is old. Might be just another new storage api here. Put a lot if it in recent builds. 19:26:12 ^a lot of it. 19:26:40 Hmmm, why dom.moduleScripts.enabled is ON on mine?! 19:27:12 my guess is that it was enabled before for some other site :-D 19:27:56 anyway, restored that and their sign-in form loads 19:28:08 ...but I'm just told I can't use that to register a new account :/ 19:29:51 wonder when I did enabled it, or for which site 19:32:23 well modules is not modules. Still in flux as is everything js. 19:32:40 "living standard"? 19:32:42 https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/issues/416 19:32:47 they've just filled that 19:37:00 njsg looks more like a petri dish standard :) 19:37:57 nah, I would call it the "hyperinflationary currency standard" aka the "Zimbabwean Dollar standard" 19:38:04 or was it the Venezuelan Bolivar standard? 19:38:18 anyway, when you have new banknotes obsoleting the older ones released last month every month... 19:38:26 Javascript and the web are kinda like that