buc I am not sure if TB is still affected. It was shared code but I was never able to reproduce this 100% reliably and never had this with TB. I have this code in for ages now and also in Bills builds but are reluctant to put it in our official builds because of the last comments from jorgk. It is the same as Bug 1296850. Works and I always find other things to do first instead of doing a...

...final lookover and fix.

tomman: it's possible "unsafe" and "boat" were just excuses choosen to justify ftp removal

How the heck is ftp even bloat lol

hardly, especially compared with a piece of software that tends to require gigabytes of memory to run a bunch of javascript

They could've just disable it by default for new profiles if they are too lazy to improve it and add TLS and SSH support into it, but no they really removed it lol

remember, when the web was about hyperlinking resources? :-)

I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as the Web, is in fact Chromium, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Google Chrome. The Web is not just a hypertext system unto itself, but rather another component of a fully functioning Google monoculture made useful by JavaScript, WebComponents, and vital monopolistic bullshit comprising a full monoculture defined by Google.

I'll need more coffee.

njsg: Two reasons.. Google wants to kill any non-http protocol and Mozilla shares this imposed vision.. On the other end with the couple of holdouts.. Mozilla doesn't want to add FTPS because it is a maintainace burdon. So the final say is they don't have ftps and ftp is old and insecure and because no other browser supports or is dropping why invest in a maintaince burdon of adding ftps

and why keep ftp cause it is old and insecure

it is all circular arguments taken as doctrine to justify a decision that ultimently pisses off any remaining core users

I think you mean "non-https" :-)

Why provide an ftp directory download when you can have a proprietary cloud api and / or a website which can track users and shows ads? And also disables liking like AMD does where downloads only work from theri own webpage. und you just can't just use a link. Win win for everyone but the user. You just need to babble something about modern and insecure and most of todays users will just...

...tell you how right you are.

a cherry on top of that cake if you manage to get rid of anything more than a few months old

who needs manuals or drivers for anything released more than one year ago? :-)

Intel is king here but AMD is a close follower.

^and disable linking not liking

And I thought Intel was horrible by deleting drivers for "old" hardware

Well with the OTP fuse in the latest AMD workstation processors binding them to an OEM they are dead for me now. For Linux only systems I might buy a gfx card used only if needed. Basically do this with Intel CPUs already because the XEONs are overpriced and I want ECC.

Dell too:

"ARM is the future", they say

"RISC-V is the future", some nerds say...

Seriously what security feature? The CPU is still usable in all the vendors OEM systems just not others.

at this stage just come up with a hardware JavaScript processor and be done with it

Nvidia controlling ARM is like Dracula controlling the blood bank. And with Xilinx now AMD it is worse.

if Apple comes up with a JavaScript-powered Mac, I guess that will be the doom of everything (and it will sell billions)

RISC-V is paperware or vapourware. China wants this to be more independent but a CPU made in China with a possible own design is not something I look forward too...

Some strange issue in mail reader, probbaly related to dnd support. Linux, gtk3

Let you have several mail/news accounts, use View->Layout->Wide View, and the height of the left-top pane is such that the scrollbar appeared. Let's, say, news.aioe.org and its folder for a.c.s.seamonkey will be at the bottom.

Unexpand "news.aioe.org", then expand it again. Then choose "a.c.s.seamonkey" folder. Because of the layout, the mouse pointer is now at the bottom pane (message).

Try to move the mouse a bit. You see that the chosen folder is "copied" and "moved" together with the mouse (until you left click).

(If you switch to the wide layout from another type, the behaviour seems appear since the second try).

2.53.7.1 affected as well.

Does anybody can reproduce it (esp. on win systems too)?

buc looks normal here unless I miss something. Bug 515675-remove-messengerdnd-2539.patch is in. Didn't try 2.53.8 yet.

Gnome 40 codename "Revenge of the Teletubbies":

I wonder what does their file picker look like

njsg: File picker is a gtk library thing. All is OK with gtk4. But I don’t know of any advanced user around me for years who would use GNOME3. Cinnamon, MATE (both gtk3/gtk4 based) yes, Gnome3 -- oh. no!

hey

fhdkjhfg: hi

njsg: Fortunately, there are enough other widely used desktops out there that you can always make a choice.

gtk in a way means gnome more than gimp, it seems to follow the same or similar guidelines, for example

and often we can't choose the toolkit some program uses

and that's bound to be tied to a bunch of things, perhaps not too many, but not zero

file pickers, other chooser dialogs (there's one for "applications", I think, which might actually mean "stuff with XDG desktop files"), possibly printing dialogs, it may also even drag along icon themes

(that last one is an issue I'd like to know how to solve - gtk+3 requires adwaita, which becomes the default if installed)

Well, gtk3 does not require adwaita -- it *provides* this. Kinda hardcoded default.

ah, separate package in the package manager here

either way, wouldn't it be nice if it didn't replace the default icon theme *everywhere*?

Regarding bug 521861 -- the problem is here: hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr60/…ews/news/src/nsNntpService.cpp#l953

If I comment out this block, all looks OK (ie. no false valid flag set, creation of new account works as expected).

The only thing is an empty email in the correspond account's identity, bu then when you hit "Reply" a first valid email from other account (if any) will be proposed.

Thus the current workaround (from release notes) does the same, but requires user to manually edit about:config. Removing the said block does this automatically. IOW the situation will not get worse than it is now.

Ideally, we should somehow ask the user to enter non-zero fullName and email here (proposing some from But this requires more skiils from someone.an existing (mail) account).

fgr: IanN: if any, where to write something regarding this issue? In bug 521861, or is it just for TB?

... (proposing some from an existing (mail) account). But this requires more skiils from someone. ...

The initial logic of the code is clear - if an unfinished (valid == false) account exists, the user must either complete or delete it before starting to add a new account. But in practice, such a requirement turns out to be superfluous for news accounts.

buc not sure if there are cases where it is totally broken and the valid still makes sense. bug 521861 is shared code so both. Happy if you comment.

frg: Nothing broken except empty email. I have not noticed anything else dangerous anywhere.