06:07:25 Seamonkey gets mentioned in this weeks Destination Linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkGNzCodcBI& 06:07:32 also helped out with some ChatZilla translations yesterday 06:08:44 luna_: thanks 06:10:16 IanN_Away: np :) 06:10:58 first thing in the episode Seamonkey talk 06:29:55 hi 06:32:29 Quassel is a decent irc client 15:37:16 IanN: a consolation prize for you! :) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1718839#c13 15:44:12 Yet another for-years-hidden bug. Thanks to frg for finding and posting it. 17:21:40 What is the current status of bug 521861, and whether Thunderbird is affected too? 19:49:22 buc: I even found an old bug number to go with it - Bug 1166225 21:41:15 frg: Where to "Cancel Messages" in news in SM mailer? 21:56:36 buc Menu: Message-> Cancel Message. Told me it was not my message and then showed similar symptoms like with archive. 21:58:35 frg: Well, what the "Menu"? Just do not see such a thing... 22:01:09 ...as well as "Message" in any context menus... 22:02:29 Buc Menu as in the Window menu. File Edit View Go Message .. 22:03:02 Oops, thanks, found! :) 22:05:59 frg: "Cancel Message" on not own message leads to throbber to be busy until the end of the session. Or something is locked too? 22:06:36 And "Cancel Message" behaviour is irrelevant on the way we fix Archive news issue (ie. the same with the initial workaround) 22:23:29 I've found that GNOME Evolution allows to "delete" news messages too. The behaviour seems the same as with SM (before the patch of with initial work-around). The message is "deleted", until you unsubscribe and subscribe again. 22:24:22 That way Evolution even allows to "move" messages from the news folder. (Kinda "copy then delete" or similar). 22:50:20 buc yes see the busy cursor but right now expirience with mozilla.org some timeouts so might not be valid. 99% unrelated if a real bug. 22:58:57 frg: The code for "cancel, but now allowed" https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr60/file/tip/mailnews/news/src/nsNNTPProtocol.cpp#l3669 for some reason differs with "cancel, but changed their mind" https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr60/file/tip/mailnews/news/src/nsNNTPProtocol.cpp#l3702 23:00:25 The first has some extra things, which might be a reason. But it seems that both cases could be as "easy" as the second one... 23:04:52 heh, so Mozilla dropped FTP support on FF90 because "unsafe" and "bloat"... 23:05:03 ...yet they keep adding more Javascript unsafe bloat :/ 23:09:13 Speaking of bloat ... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-background-updates-firefox-windows 23:11:16 perfect for normies who can't even remember how to properly turn off their computers, HORRIBLE for us power users that actually like owning our own computers 23:12:17 thankfully it's (still!) a toggle option... for now 23:25:42 frg: try for "Cancel Messsage" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1718839#c20 23:29:57 tomman: The next step is to get rid of browsers on a local machine at all, and use "remote dekstop" (certainly on their site) instead. :) 23:30:18 buc: don't give Google ideas! 23:31:10 they're already trying to do that with videogames (Stadia)... fortunately with poor results, as most gamers still value performance, and lag hurts that 23:39:46 buc need to check if I can figure out what the flags do. 23:42:31 frg: The question is whether such an understanding is necessary at all, because it seems possible to handle this case similarly to another simpler one. 23:54:03 buc with mailnews code I am very very cautious :) 23:55:28 frg: Wanted to ask: What is the current status of bug 521861, and whether Thunderbird is affected too?