13:21:17 <vsraj80> Good day to all
13:22:12 <vsraj80> I have trying to create a desktop application for computer service center
13:22:20 <mohan43u> vsraj80: hi good day to you
13:22:37 <mohan43u> vsraj80: nice, in linux?
13:22:44 <vsraj80> Hi sir thank you
13:22:51 <vsraj80> yes. using linux
13:22:57 <mohan43u> vsraj80: no sir mate, just call me mohan
13:23:08 <vsraj80> sure mr.mohan
13:23:16 <vsraj80> i am from payilagam
13:23:42 <mohan43u> vsraj80: great, which language you selected, which framework?
13:24:32 <vsraj80> as per demo youtube video, i have trying to use pycharm. but i have struggling to find it in terminal
13:25:02 <vsraj80> python 
13:25:23 <vsraj80> for this project i am trying to use tkinter
13:27:16 <vsraj80> actually as i am new to coding i have confused to choose the framework. so based on demo video i proceeding with tkinter
13:55:16 <mohan43u> vsraj80: try pyQt[ https://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt ] or pyGtk [ https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ ]
13:55:32 <mohan43u> vsraj80: both are native UI frameworks for Linux
13:56:40 <mohan43u> vsraj80: nice to see people are still interested in native UI rather than going to electron/web craps
13:57:50 <vsraj80> sure. i will try any of one from these
13:58:12 <vsraj80> thank you
14:00:48 <vsraj80> starting from the scratch. so i am unaware of the worth of differences between all these. 
14:02:37 <vsraj80> any have i have hope that i can equip myself with the experienced persons who supporting like you. the rootcause for the public forum is Mr.MK(payilagam)
14:17:42 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: hi
14:17:54 <shrini-weechat> hope you are learning python
14:18:31 <shrini-weechat> https://python.swaroopch.com/
14:18:41 <shrini-weechat> read this book and learn the basics
14:18:57 <shrini-weechat> python is all about handling text
14:19:12 <shrini-weechat> build 4-5 command line applications
14:19:19 <shrini-weechat> then go for a GUI app or web app
14:19:40 <shrini-weechat> then only you will know to debug the errors and find where the issue/bug is
14:20:16 <shrini-weechat> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/python-easygui-module-introduction/
14:20:27 <shrini-weechat> easy_gui is another simple gui library
14:20:30 <shrini-weechat> try this too
14:20:59 <shrini-weechat> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
14:21:06 <shrini-weechat> join the chennaipy mailing list too
14:23:05 <vsraj80> shrini-weechat: Yes, but the course completed last month
14:23:32 <shrini-weechat> nice
14:23:36 <shrini-weechat> do you have any blog?
14:23:41 <vsraj80> anyhave i will learn as you said
14:23:49 <shrini-weechat> https://python.swaroopch.com/
14:24:02 <shrini-weechat> then, read this book quickly and practice all the code
14:24:14 <shrini-weechat> read all the paragraphs. dont skip any line
14:24:28 <shrini-weechat> reading documentation is as important as writing code
14:24:51 <shrini-weechat> if you feel that you are not wring good code, it means you are missing to read the basics
14:25:13 <vsraj80> okay. i will start from today
14:26:30 <shrini-weechat> do you have blog?
14:27:23 <vsraj80> created blog. but while updating the html code i was got error. so i dropped there.
14:31:00 <shrini-weechat> create
14:31:13 <shrini-weechat> create
14:31:26 <shrini-weechat> a blog in dev.to now
14:31:41 <shrini-weechat> write a first post snd share url now
14:32:11 <vsraj80> yes
14:32:22 <vsraj80> please
14:33:03 <vsraj80> already created in the name of vsrajpython.com in wordpress. but struggling to find the share link
14:33:51 <shrini-weechat> hmm
14:33:56 <shrini-weechat> find it
14:34:27 <krishna> hi all
14:34:33 <krishna> i am krishna
14:34:37 <shrini-weechat> hi 
14:35:18 <krishna> anna i start to learn python backend development please guide me
14:35:25 <vsraj80> HTML- ChessBoard https://vsrajpython.wordpress.com/2025/01/10/html-chessboard/
14:36:31 <shrini-weechat> good vsraj80 
14:37:03 <krishna> vsraj your blog  showing coming soon 
14:37:32 <vsraj80> if you assign me some project work i will try to finish it at maximum best. can you guide me
14:38:05 <vsraj80> krishna: anything i have to update on this?
14:38:53 <shrini-weechat> did you write anything about python vsraj80 ?
14:39:02 <shrini-weechat> yes. will give some project ideas
14:39:33 <shrini-weechat> hi krishna 
14:39:44 <shrini-weechat> can you share your blog and git URL
14:39:47 <vsraj80> shrini: yes. but deleted. from today i will start to update
14:39:59 <shrini-weechat> to know more about your current leanings
14:40:01 <shrini-weechat> ?
14:41:25 <krishna> git -> https://github.com/github-CS-krishna/ blog with wordpress -> https://krishnasubramaniyan.wordpress.com/
14:44:58 <shrini-weechat> good krishna
14:45:07 <shrini-weechat> https://python.swaroopch.com/
14:45:19 <shrini-weechat> krishna: please go throught this book
14:45:38 <krishna> okay anna thanks 
14:46:17 <shrini-weechat> krishna: do you know web scrapping?
14:46:18 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: ?
14:46:30 <shrini-weechat> like we need to scrap some data from few websites
14:47:26 <krishna> i don't know web scrapping
14:48:03 <mohan43u> krishna: perfect, then learn web scrapping
14:48:15 <krishna> okay anna
14:50:41 <krishna> i try to scrapp which websites are perfect to scrapp data?
14:52:30 <vsraj80> shrini: no(web scrapping)
14:53:11 <vsraj80> but i want to do it for pulling out the data from stock exchange. 
14:53:29 <vsraj80> for stock analysis
14:53:50 <shrini-weechat> explore the nice vsraj80 
14:53:54 <shrini-weechat> start working on that
14:54:07 <shrini-weechat> can you share the progress daily here and in your blog?
14:54:23 <vsraj80> shrini: sure. i will update.
14:55:02 <vsraj80> shrini: i will do some code and post day after tomorrow
14:55:13 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: https://vsrajpython.wordpress.com/2025/01/10/html-chessboard/
14:55:21 <shrini-weechat> open your blog in private mode
14:55:33 <shrini-weechat> it is saying as "coming soon"
14:55:42 <shrini-weechat> you have to publish your blog
14:55:52 <vsraj80> i think not yet
14:56:22 <vsraj80> let me try now
14:57:14 <vsraj80> can you suggest where the option to publish
14:57:30 <shrini-weechat> checking on it
14:57:31 <shrini-weechat> give a min
15:00:23 <vsraj80> the status showing me as published
15:00:49 <shrini-weechat> check the same url in private mode
15:01:53 <shrini-weechat> https://wordpress.com/forums/topic/why-does-my-blog-say-coming-soon/
15:02:05 <shrini-weechat> To launch your site, go to Settings → General → click the Launch site button →
15:02:07 <shrini-weechat> click the Save settings button
15:02:14 <shrini-weechat> https://wordpress.com/support/privacy-settings/#launch-your-site
15:02:20 <vsraj80> ok i will do it
15:03:54 <shrini-weechat> krishna: can you tell what are your python skills?
15:04:17 <shrini-weechat> i think you asked for how to become a python backend engineer
15:04:34 <shrini-weechat> backend is all about building APIs
15:04:50 <shrini-weechat> do you heard about API? REST API ?
15:06:06 <krishna> shrini: i know core python only. i don't know any frameworks
15:06:36 <shrini-weechat> ok
15:06:45 <shrini-weechat> thats fine
15:06:55 <shrini-weechat> programming is like cooking
15:07:24 <shrini-weechat> how a kitchen has so many ingrediants
15:07:45 <shrini-weechat> in the same way, programming is all about handling many things
15:08:05 <shrini-weechat> language is one major component, like gas stove
15:09:01 <shrini-weechat> along with language, there are many stuff like, frontend, database, API, server management, logging, log rotation, backup, performance, unit testing and more
15:09:31 <shrini-weechat> keep on learning new things daily 
15:09:39 <shrini-weechat> create more programs
15:09:50 <shrini-weechat> with many components
15:10:53 <shrini-weechat> in python, the  backend API are developed with FLASK or FastAPI or django
15:10:59 <shrini-weechat> learning these will help
15:11:08 <shrini-weechat> but, before that explore about REST API
15:12:55 <shrini-weechat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtWH70_MMHM
15:13:12 <shrini-weechat> https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/what-is-rest-api-rest-api-concepts-and-examples-edureka/174179563?from_search=1
15:13:19 <shrini-weechat> see this slide and video
15:13:37 <shrini-weechat> API is the formal way of doing CRUD operations
15:13:47 <shrini-weechat> CRUD = Create Read Update Delete
15:14:12 <shrini-weechat> we will be doing only the CRUD operations most of the times with our applications
15:14:28 <shrini-weechat> REST APIs gives a unified way of doing these
15:14:49 <shrini-weechat> home work - see the above video, take notes and publish in your blog
15:15:39 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: did you launch your blog?
15:16:01 <krishna> shrini: okay anna i will learn this daily and i will write blog
15:16:24 <vsraj80> shrini:https://vsrajpython.wordpress.com/2025/01/10/html-chessboard/   
15:17:05 <vsraj80> shrini: may i know whether it is working?
15:21:08 <shrini-weechat> checking
15:21:42 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: yes, it is working now
15:21:44 <shrini-weechat> thanks
15:23:48 <shrini-weechat> keep writing daily
15:24:25 <shrini-weechat> I will ask payilagam muthu , to ask all students to write blog daily with their learning notes
15:24:49 <shrini-weechat> it seems you completed python course, but no blog post on python
15:27:36 <vsraj80> shrini: yes i completed the course. but on that time my system memory was in poor condition. as well as i struggled with wordpress account. 
15:28:23 <vsraj80> shrini: Further i will update here
15:31:58 <shrini-weechat> ok
15:32:14 <shrini-weechat> how much RAM you have?
15:40:51 <vsraj80> now changed new desktop 8gb
15:48:44 <vsraj80> Thank you all. i will signout for the day
16:14:22 <vsraj80> × This environment is externally managed ╰─> To install Python packages system-wide, try apt install     python3-xyz, where xyz is the package you are trying to     install.          If you wish to install a non-Debian-packaged Python package,     create a virtual environment using python3 -m venv path/to/venv.     Then use path/to/venv/bin/python and path/to/venv/bin/pip. Make     sure you have
16:14:56 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: yes
16:15:23 <vsraj80> how i have to change env for another project. i have getting above error
16:15:48 <shrini-weechat> pip install xyz --break-system-packages
16:16:02 <shrini-weechat> give like this
16:16:10 <shrini-weechat> replace xyz with your desired package name
16:16:31 <vsraj80> okay
16:16:49 <shrini-weechat> what is the command you are executing to get the  error, share that too always
16:17:46 <vsraj80> while trying pip install report lab i got the above error
16:23:51 <vsraj80> shrini: sorry for the time delay. linux handling is being very difficult to me . i used practice for windows for long period
16:31:33 <shrini-weechat> ok
16:32:04 <shrini-weechat> ok
16:32:29 <vsraj80> shrini:  nice i have installed thank. 
16:32:40 <shrini-weechat> :-)
16:32:50 <shrini-weechat> please blog all such learnings
16:33:04 <shrini-weechat> the issue you get, the errors and the solution
16:33:27 <shrini-weechat> this blogging practise will help a lot for you and others
16:36:04 <shrini-weechat> added vsraj80 and krishna blogs here
16:36:06 <shrini-weechat> https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/
16:36:27 <shrini-weechat> we can read your posts from here along with the blogs of other kaniyam friends
16:47:36 <vsraj80> shrini: okay.i will update all by day after tomorrow
16:49:18 <shrini-weechat> vsraj80: ok