14:02:37 <sethu_payilagam> Hello Everyone! Good Day & a Happy Friday! :)
14:03:22 <sethu_payilagam> sorry shrini.. I had to go to office for 3 days now.. so not able to connect regularly.
14:03:56 <sethu_payilagam> went through some of the recent messages.. looks like I got a partner ;) 
14:08:23 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: for what?
14:10:52 <sethu_payilagam> dhuruvangal :D
14:11:44 <sethu_payilagam> why blood.. same blood moment!! :) :)
14:13:57 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: ooh yeah 😀
14:14:45 <vishnu98> hello
14:14:47 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: is it possible to give a talk in ILUGC? tomorrow?
14:14:53 <mohan43u> vishnu98: hi, welcome
14:16:05 <mohan43u> vishnu98: first time visiting here?
14:16:16 <vishnu98> yes
14:16:31 <mohan43u> vishnu98: great. student?
14:17:03 <vishnu98> yep studying 2nd year cse
14:17:05 <shrini> hi vishnu98 
14:17:06 <shrini> welcome
14:17:16 <sethu_payilagam> I can try mohan43u. Only concern is the timing.. I am worried if I will fail to get up and join the meeting as it would be 4:30 in the morning..  :(
14:17:32 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: ooh, yeah. too early
14:18:01 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: no issues, just asked, disn't realize the time difference.
14:19:34 <sethu_payilagam> No no mohan43u. Even I never attended the ilugc.. and I was looking for a chance..I will try to join atleast this time
14:19:47 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: thats great
14:20:17 <mohan43u> vishnu98: where are you studying? which uni/coll?
14:20:50 <vishnu98> AAA college sivakasi
14:21:05 <mohan43u> vishnu98: ooh, how did you end up here?
14:21:33 <vishnu98> my brother told me about this irc channel
14:22:03 <mohan43u> vishnu98: is he here already?
14:22:39 <vishnu98> no he is yet to login today
14:22:55 <mohan43u> vishnu98: what is his name?
14:24:36 <vishnu98> Thanga ayyanar
14:24:48 <shrini> welcome to foss family
14:25:00 <mohan43u> vishnu98: ooh, gold's brother you are, nice.
14:25:09 <shrini> happy to see you here vishnu98 
14:25:23 <vishnu98> thank you sir
14:25:53 <shrini> sir/madam is not required in FOSS communities
14:25:53 <mohan43u> vishnu98: no sir mate
14:25:53 <shrini> call with name itself
14:26:05 <shrini> are you using linux OS ?
14:26:05 <vishnu98> ok
14:26:17 <vishnu98> ye ubuntu 22.04
14:26:59 <mohan43u> vishnu98: is it good to use linux for your study? I mean, are you able to do everything in linux syllabus wise?
14:28:18 <vishnu98> its really good
14:31:38 <vishnu98> The problem I faced was using Microsoft Excel
14:33:05 <mohan43u> vishnu98: are you not able to open the .xlsx in libereoffice calc properly?
14:34:42 <vishnu98> I used Wine to run Microsoft Excel.
14:36:04 <mohan43u> vishnu98: Wine is a russian roulette, you can't fully depend on it, what is your machine's configuration? how much memory?
14:36:40 <shrini> vishnu98: explain your problem that you are facing
14:37:04 <shrini> what do you want to do with excel
14:37:06 <shrini> ?
14:37:19 <shrini> hope libreoffice can do the same
14:38:23 <vishnu98> The Nan Mudhalvan course requires Excel, and it is worth 3 credits.
14:38:56 <shrini> oh ok
14:39:03 <mohan43u> vishnu98: what kind of course is it?
14:39:21 <shrini> no explain about the issue you are getting with excel in wine
14:40:10 <vishnu98> it was stuck at mono installer
14:40:56 <shrini> can you share the course syllabus here?
14:40:59 <shrini> or link for it?
14:41:02 <vishnu98> sure
14:44:43 <vishnu98> here website link
14:44:46 <vishnu98> https://www.naanmudhalvan.tn.gov.in/
14:45:39 <shrini> syllabus for excel ?
14:45:42 <vishnu98> ye
14:45:48 <vishnu98> one sec
14:46:14 <shrini> is it a self study course? or some online course teached by some one?
14:48:25 <vishnu98> self study
14:48:33 <vishnu98> it need my id to view the details
14:49:29 <mohan43u> vishnu98: what kind of thing you study in this naanmudhalvan? only excel?
14:49:30 <shrini> what is the course name?
14:49:47 <shrini> https://www.naanmudhalvan.tn.gov.in/training-partners/?technology=24&index=0&offering_type=&offering_kind=
14:49:53 <shrini> check the other courses here
14:50:54 <vishnu98> its microsoft digital skills
14:51:24 <vishnu98> mohan43u not only excel
14:52:28 <vishnu98> They offer various courses for free to everyone.
14:53:33 <vishnu98> like nptl courses conducted by our indian government
14:53:59 <mohan43u> vishnu98: how the "paid course" works? do tn govt pay for the trainers to train the students after course completion?
14:55:38 <vishnu98> I've never used paid courses before, so I'm not sure how it works.
14:56:42 <mohan43u> vishnu98: so this is optional or mandatory? only 2nd year students should take this course?
14:57:15 <vishnu98> it's mandatory in my college
14:58:04 <mohan43u> vishnu98: you have to take this course every year? or only one time?
14:58:17 <vishnu98> weekly once
14:58:25 <vishnu98> oh sorry
14:58:52 <vishnu98> my faculty wil decide the courses
14:59:39 <mohan43u> vishnu98: I mean, student have to take one of these course every year, or student should complete one of these course only one time? 
14:59:58 <vishnu98> one course for one semester
15:00:07 <mohan43u> vishnu98: aah ok.
15:00:32 <vishnu98> so far i have completed 3
15:01:34 <shrini> each course is adding credits
15:01:52 <vishnu98> yes
15:01:54 <shrini> which will help as a factor for any good internship at final year
15:02:03 <shrini> or for campus interview
15:02:19 <vishnu98> for campus interview
15:02:28 <shrini> good then
15:02:50 <shrini> for this excel course, how will you prove that you have done with the course?
15:02:56 <shrini> is there any online exam?
15:03:02 <vishnu98> yes
15:03:03 <shrini> with some practicals?
15:03:11 <shrini> or only MCQ ?
15:03:17 <shrini> choose the best answer?
15:04:52 <shrini> https://excel.cloud.microsoft/en-us/?wdOrigin=MARKETING.FREE.GO-TO-EXCEL
15:05:02 <shrini> try this web based excel too
15:06:58 <shrini> try office 2013 with play on linux
15:07:11 <shrini> the recent office may not be installable in linux
15:07:17 <shrini> read here - https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1bjawtb/comment/kvq2trq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
15:07:50 <vishnu98> choose the best answer
15:08:46 <shrini> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-use-microsoft-office-linux/
15:08:50 <shrini> read here also
15:09:00 <shrini> install play on linux first
15:09:08 <shrini> and then try office 2013 or 2016
15:09:21 <shrini> it should work fine
15:09:44 <shrini> there wont be much difference in excel 2013 with latest version
15:11:42 <vishnu123> ok i will try and share my feedback
15:11:43 <vishnu123> shrini thanks
15:11:44 <vishnu123> mohan43u thanks
15:12:57 <shrini> do you have more linux users at college?
15:14:27 <vishnu123> no i have told them about linux but they are using windows
15:15:50 <shrini> ok
15:16:11 <shrini> https://kaniyam.com/events/
15:16:30 <shrini> check our many events here and attend whatever is possible
15:18:06 <vishnu123> ok will attend here onwards
15:18:39 <vishnu123> bye i will connect tomorrow thanks everyone
15:18:48 <shrini> ok
15:19:23 <shrini> good to see that linux growing along with families
15:20:15 <shrini> many years ago, my brother arulalan started kanchilug with his friends
15:21:00 <shrini> my friend raji took care of chennaipy when it had no maintainer for few years
15:21:25 <shrini> now sugi brings anish here and ilugc
15:21:35 <shrini> goldayan comes with brother
15:21:44 <shrini> I am so happy
15:22:29 <shrini> nithya is smiling here :-)
15:22:37 <sethu_payilagam> :)
15:23:08 <shrini> Nithya is my wife.
15:23:19 <sethu_payilagam> waiting for my turn to share something like that here, shrini
15:23:28 <shrini> when we got married, she dont have windows
15:23:45 <shrini> on frustration she started to learn linux, just to use the computer at home
15:24:10 <shrini> then, she become a author of many FOSS books in tamil
15:24:13 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: good
15:24:31 <shrini> the best way is to install linux and give to use
15:24:52 <sethu_payilagam> Inspiring journey for her! 
15:25:03 <shrini> once they start to use and play around, they will become easy with linux
15:26:30 <Varun777> Hi all
15:27:50 <shrini> hi Varun777 
15:31:29 <Varun777> shrini: I don't like windows, I feel Linux changed my life as a college student, who doesn't knows anything, who doesn't know how to use my computer. In my first years of my college.
15:32:15 <Varun777> I got frustrated sitting in front of computer, in my first years
15:32:55 <Varun777> My computer got too slow on using windows 10 in Intel i3
15:33:25 <Varun777> with 4 gigs of Ram 
15:34:54 <Varun777> Then in my 3rd semester by watching linus tech tips, I switched to Linux ( Manjaro Linux )
15:37:53 <Varun777> which changed my life forever on sitting in front of computer frequently, upgraded my RAM and SSD, then also I use Linux, instead of windows
15:40:02 <shrini> interesting Varun777 
15:40:11 <shrini> publish your story in your blog
15:40:17 <shrini> which will help others a lot
15:40:47 <shrini> yes, As most of us have low end computers in beginning days
15:41:03 <shrini> the slow OS will kill our interest to learn anything
15:41:11 <sethu_payilagam> great to hear Varun777.. you all are superstars!! always happy to be here.. :)
15:41:21 <shrini> good that you started with manjaro arch
15:41:31 <shrini> it will be good fast 
15:42:22 <shrini> one of the best thing with any linux/bsd os is
15:42:35 <shrini> the user will become a developer magically
15:42:46 <shrini> quickly
15:43:03 <sethu_payilagam> what is bsd shrini?
15:43:24 <shrini> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
15:43:32 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: one of unix like OS
15:43:32 <sethu_payilagam> ok ok
15:43:39 <shrini> BSD is a kernel just like linux kernel
15:43:51 <shrini> but all other software are mostly the same
15:44:00 <mohan43u> shrini: BSD is a full OS
15:44:02 <shrini> same firefox, same kde, same gnome
15:44:18 <mohan43u> shrini: bsd kernel developers also develop the userland
15:44:24 <shrini> but underlying OS is different
15:44:38 <shrini> there is freebsd/openbsd/netbsd and more
15:44:50 <shrini> it comes with more open license
15:45:13 <shrini> we dont need to relase the code/customizations that we make for bsd
15:45:30 <shrini> apple took the bsd stuff and rebranded as MacOS
15:45:42 <shrini> BSD's license allows that
15:48:15 <sethu_payilagam> Thanks shrini and mohan43u.. I will read through it
15:48:42 <Varun777> shrini: Interesting shrini, They used BSD as MacOS, I am thinking they have taken orginal Unix kernel
15:52:48 <sethu_payilagam> shrini and mohan43u - just a layman doubt.. with so much passion towards linux and open source.. how are you both using the licensed software and windows for your office stuff.. I mean how do you feel when there is no other option. 
15:53:29 <shrini> I dont join any office, if I can not use linux desktop
15:53:32 <shrini> :-)
15:54:05 <shrini> in all my work life, I asked linux for linux as OS, on their desktop/laptop
15:54:14 <shrini> if not, I use my own linux laptop
15:54:45 <sethu_payilagam> thats great shrini. And your company allowed that?
15:54:54 <shrini> that is the one reason, I am staying with small companies
15:55:00 <sethu_payilagam> Happy for you.. 
15:55:07 <shrini> MNC may not allow it
15:55:14 <sethu_payilagam> and feeling good about the company too
15:55:31 <sethu_payilagam> very true
15:57:11 <shrini> many of my friends are in MNC where they have to use windows or mac at work
15:57:22 <shrini> but they use linux at home as a remedy
15:57:34 <sethu_payilagam> exactly.. thats what I was thinking until today.. 
15:57:51 <shrini> economical reasons tie us
15:58:07 <sethu_payilagam> 100% shrini
15:58:11 <shrini> few of them ask for linux at office continiously
15:58:17 <shrini> and got it approved
15:58:17 <sethu_payilagam> not just with this.. with many other factors
15:58:33 <shrini> some times lack of tools
15:58:48 <shrini> lack of good commercial support
15:59:02 <shrini> lack of vendors to provide centralized login
15:59:07 <shrini> much more are there
15:59:55 <shrini> Even in office, the base OS, is just a basic tool to launch other tools like browsers, VDIs
16:00:16 <shrini> too many restricions there
16:00:25 <shrini> thats their business need
16:00:56 <shrini> we need more companies to provide commercial support for desktop and other integrations
16:03:14 <Varun777> shrini: I am a fresher, shall I ask my system admin or team to install Linux in my office laptops on bigger service based companies?
16:04:23 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: thankfully my current work is all about linux, so I didn't have to depend on windows, whe I joined, I have to use skype for team communication, outlook for office mail, Microsoft did a good thing transforming outlook as web based and introduced teams as web based as well, so I just got rid of my windows vm entirely 
16:04:57 <shrini> Varun777: please ask for linux in job
16:05:20 <shrini> if more people start to ask, then they will give
16:05:55 <sethu_payilagam> great mohan43u! Happy for you both
16:06:23 <Varun777> shrini: thank you shrini 
16:07:13 <sethu_payilagam> Will companies like Red Hat atleast allow their employees to use linux machines or will they give them Mac or any other equivalent? 
16:08:42 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: I think it mostly depend on project and the need for that project 
16:09:33 <shrini> most startups are going with linux
16:09:42 <sethu_payilagam> ok ok.. mohan43u. imagining a company with every employee using linux 
16:09:54 <shrini> there are many such companies
16:10:25 <sethu_payilagam> super shrini
16:12:41 <shrini> the only question I ask on my job interviews is "Can i get linux laptop?"
16:13:01 <sethu_payilagam> :) Love it
16:14:03 <mohan43u> shrini: you are a linux terror for recruiters :)
16:14:23 <shrini> :-)
16:15:16 <sethu_payilagam>  now you are making me to doubt again about who the author is for Dhuruvangal and who that character Madhan is :D :D
16:15:28 <shrini> hahaah
16:15:46 <shrini> all the fictional charectors are inpired by some human
16:16:11 <sethu_payilagam> oh ok :) :)
16:16:18 <shrini> I am not the author
16:16:36 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: there is no doubt, the author is a ghost here who is listening every conversation 😀
16:16:41 <shrini> If I have such writing skill, I will quit my job and will write such books forever
16:17:02 <sethu_payilagam> yes mohan43u.. i think the same
16:17:56 <sethu_payilagam> :D :D :D
16:18:04 <sethu_payilagam> ultimate! 
16:18:05 <mohan43u> dammit we knew..
16:18:16 <natkeeran> if you say me as a ghost, I will come in your dream and horror you all
16:18:23 <shrini> :-)
16:18:28 <sethu_payilagam> :)
16:18:34 <shrini> this is fun
16:18:45 <shrini> but, I am not the author
16:18:52 <shrini> of duruvangal
16:19:06 <shrini> promise
16:19:25 <sethu_payilagam> then you should be the inspiration to that madhan character for sure
16:19:29 <shrini> I am trying to write one book on python for 13 years
16:19:42 <shrini> where nithya released 13 books already
16:19:53 <sethu_payilagam> same as Dhuruvangal style..
16:20:13 <sethu_payilagam> definitely try shrini.. may be take help from the author Nakeeran
16:20:33 <shrini> I am so much lazy to write
16:20:37 <shrini> fictions
16:20:43 <shrini> too time taking thing
16:21:02 <shrini> I will get on writing code than writing a fiction
16:21:21 <shrini> payilagam muthu is a good story teller
16:21:36 <shrini> we have to hijack him and put in a hotel for few months
16:21:49 <shrini> and ask him to bring good books on FOSS stuff
16:21:57 <mohan43u> shrini: his teaching style is so nice from few videos he is sharing in tlc
16:22:06 <sethu_payilagam> mohan43u: Like how i wanted to put a voice and a potrait to all the writings of shrini.. i wanted to put a voice for you as well.. then Muthu sir told about your YT channel went and watched just for this :) Now i am happy
16:22:43 <sethu_payilagam> we have to hijack him and put in a hotel for few months - :D :D :D
16:22:51 <sethu_payilagam> let me know if you need any help
16:22:59 <mohan43u> sethu_payilagam: you mean, the TLC videos of mine?
16:23:26 <sethu_payilagam> yes yes.. i found a playlist for GOLANG too
16:23:31 <shrini> I remember mohan43u has a playlist of duruvangal book cliubd too
16:23:36 <shrini> book club meeting
16:24:03 <shrini> I am really missing the ilugc days at chennai
16:24:25 <shrini> we meet likeminded friends there and keep on talking random FOSS stuff
16:24:36 <shrini> going to colleges, teaching on workshops
16:25:04 <shrini> attending/organizing foss confereces
16:25:16 <shrini> we had a good life there
16:26:02 <shrini> I got many decade+ friends like mohan43u at ilugc
16:27:21 <shrini> tryig to have some tech meetup here in canada
16:27:33 <shrini> let us plan something here sethu_payilagam 
16:28:29 <shrini> hope mohan43u is getting some meetups near him
16:28:36 <mohan43u> there are few meetups here in krakow, but most of the meets are at 6.00 pm in the weekdays
16:29:14 <shrini> we miss our scooters and motorbikes here
16:29:15 <mohan43u> people here dont like to have anything on weekends
16:29:19 <shrini> for quick travel
16:29:21 <sethu_payilagam> Sure shrini.. please tell me
16:32:14 <sethu_payilagam> for now I will not be of much help technically.. as I am just getting into this wonderful world.. but other than that you can count me in 100% for all the other activities.. I want to contribute through some means for this community
16:32:37 <sethu_payilagam> i mean not help.. contribute. sorry typo~
16:34:19 <shrini> attneding the events itself a big contribution
16:34:34 <shrini> there is no big or small thing
16:34:43 <shrini> whatever we can do, let us do
16:41:11 <sethu_payilagam> sure shri
16:41:18 <sethu_payilagam> sure shrini
17:24:24 <shrini> annamalai: can you send your talk details to ilugc mailing list
17:24:25 <shrini> ?
17:24:36 <shrini> itz_mr_evil:can you give any talk tomorrow?
17:40:40 <annamalai> shrini: I've already sent yesterday
17:45:18 <praem90> Hello everyone
17:53:50 <praem90> My boss has given green flag to conduct ILUGC in our office at Alwarpet \
17:54:24 <praem90> Do we need a projector?
18:07:02 <praem90> ‘அடுத்து cd, இது ஒரு ேபால்டரில் இருந்து இன்ெனாரு ேபால்டருக்கு மாற உதவும்’ கார்த்திகா கூற
18:07:04 <praem90> ‘இப்படியும் ெசால்லலாம், ெடர்மினல் ப்ராசஸ்ேசாட கரண்ட் ேபால்டர ேசஞ்ச் பண்ண யூஸ் பண்ற
18:07:06 <praem90> கமாண்டு அப்படின்னும் ெசால்லலாம்’
18:19:17 <praem90>  Page No 40, There is a super tiny typo... 
18:19:20 <praem90> ‘அடுத்து dh, இந்த கமாண்ட் ைபல் சிஸ்டத்ேதாட ேமப் ஆயிருக்குற ஒவ்ெவாரு பார்டிஷேனாட
18:19:22 <praem90> யூேசஜ் ெசல்லும்’ கார்த்திகா கூற ‘முக்கியமா df -h கமாண்ட் பார்டிஷேனாட ைசஸ்
18:19:24 <praem90> கிகாைபட்(G)/ெமாகாைபட்(M)/கிேலாைபட்(K) கணக்கில் காட்டும்’ என்று மதன் விளக்கினான
18:19:36 <praem90> It should be `df` instead of `dh`
22:10:52 <mohan43u> praem90: yes correct, thats a typo, maybe send a patch to that book's gitlab repo