14:19:39 <shrini-weechat> hello all
14:20:36 <fury999io> shrini-wc, can you join #indian for a while. wanna introduce someone
14:20:51 <fury999io> a guix user and gnu contributor from odisha, india
14:21:10 <shrini-wc> wow
14:21:15 <shrini-wc> joined
14:36:41 <divya> Hello everyone.
14:36:46 <divya> Glad to be here.
14:37:20 <mohan43u> divya: welcome
14:37:51 <mohan43u> divya: how did you end up here?
14:38:09 <divya> Hey, shrini-weechat got me here from another channel :)
14:38:23 <mohan43u> divya: ooh, great.
14:39:19 <shrini-weechat> divya is a GNU contributor
14:39:37 <shrini-weechat> divya: can you share any blog or more info about your contributions ?
14:41:07 <divya> shrini-weechat: Sure, my blog is currently getting transferred between hosting providers. But yes, I'm a contributor to GNU Guix and GNU Emacs. In Guix, I contribute packages to the upstream guix repository. In Emacs I maintain a package called binder, and currently working on some patches for Gnus feed reader.
14:41:56 <shrini-weechat> awesome
14:42:13 <shrini-weechat> thanks for all your contributions
14:43:05 <divya> If any of you want any changes/modifications to any free software you use or help in making changes yourself, please feel free to ping me
14:45:36 <shrini-weechat> sure
14:45:52 <shrini-weechat> we are a very small group of people trying to do some open source projects
14:46:04 <shrini-weechat> some projects are tamil language related too
14:46:38 <shrini-weechat> few of our project ideas are discussed here
14:46:40 <shrini-weechat> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues
14:46:43 <divya> Oh, great. I admire such groups. Brings the social life back into programming, as it always should've been.
14:47:20 <shrini-weechat> we conduct some online trainings, meetings in tamil
14:47:35 <shrini-weechat> https://kaniyam.com/events/
14:47:49 <shrini-weechat> here is the calendar for some events
14:47:51 <divya> shrini-weechat: Also, I'd recommend using something else other than github. Codeberg is better, since its a non-profit and is similar in structure. 
14:47:58 <divya> Github is a malicious place.
14:48:19 <divya> I myself recently use it only as a mirror and all of my primary repositories in Codeberg
14:49:08 <shrini-weechat> good
14:49:13 <shrini-weechat> is codeberg free?
14:49:16 <divya> Yes
14:49:24 <shrini-weechat> what about gitlab?
14:49:39 <divya> Gitlab is the same unless you yourself host an instance of it.
14:50:01 <divya> There's GNU Savannah and Sourcehut as well. 
14:50:11 <divya> If you want help with the migration, I'd be glad.
14:50:42 <shrini-weechat> will explore them
14:51:01 <divya> 🙏 Appreciate
14:53:16 <shrini-weechat> for guix or emacs packaging, what skills we need?
14:53:55 <shrini-weechat> hope we can bring many non programmers into contributions via packakage maintanence
14:56:37 <shrini-weechat> divya: share any link, to start for beginners
14:56:48 <shrini-weechat> hello sugi 
14:56:53 <shrini-weechat> hello mahii 
14:56:55 <divya> shrini-weechat: For Guix, you need some familiarity with the Scheme language in general and specifically how Guie uses Scheme for package building and other things. It is easier, in my opinion, than other package building pipelines. It took me a few weeks to get used to it and send my first patch :)
14:57:02 <sethu_payilagam> Good day Everyone! Good morning shrini
14:57:43 <sugi> Hi everyone
14:58:06 <sugi> Hi shrini
14:58:08 <divya> Here's the official packaging tutorial: https://guix.gnu.org/cookbook/en/html_node/Packaging-Tutorial.html
14:58:32 <divya> Hello, sugi. Nice to meet you.
14:58:48 <sugi> Hi divya, pleased to meet you
14:59:17 <shrini-weechat> exploring about guix.
14:59:36 <shrini-weechat> some time back, goldayan gave a talk about that in a kanchilug meet
14:59:49 <shrini-weechat> sugi: read todays chat log too
15:00:03 <sugi> ok shrini
15:00:07 <shrini-weechat> got some interesting chats with divya , a gnu guix, emacs contributor
15:00:36 <divya> shrini-weechat: Oh nice, I'll try to available for the talks. Would be nice. Are they in English?
15:00:58 <shrini-weechat> kanchilug talks are in tamil
15:01:10 <shrini-weechat> ilugc ( chennaiLUG ) talks are in english
15:01:40 <divya> Understood.
15:02:28 <shrini-weechat> sugi: mahii sethu_payilagam please share the daily updates here
15:04:06 <sethu_payilagam> Started learning about HTML, CSS and JS as part of the python_payilagam syllabus shrini. Doing a few hands on on those.
15:05:46 <shrini-weechat> good sethu_payilagam 
15:06:05 <shrini-weechat> if possible, give an intro to js in kanchilug meet
15:07:40 <sethu_payilagam> ok shrini. I will try for sure.
15:08:57 <shrini-weechat> https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/
15:09:07 <shrini-weechat> divya: our blogs are aggregated here
15:09:19 <shrini-weechat> let me know if we can add your blog too there
15:09:31 <divya> Sure, will do.
15:10:00 <sugi> shrini-weechat: read shrini.  let me share my honest opinion, when I read I feel like a kid on my head.  I could not understand much, but I must admit that divya's contributions are certainly great.
15:10:37 <shrini-weechat> ah
15:10:40 <shrini-weechat> dont think that way
15:10:40 <divya> sugi: Oh, are you referring to the Guix packaging tutorial?
15:10:55 <sugi> yes divya
15:10:59 <shrini-weechat> every one have their own learning path and years
15:11:02 <shrini-weechat> of experiene
15:11:04 <sugi> I am just beginner in linux
15:11:10 <shrini-weechat> thats always fine
15:11:21 <shrini-weechat> using linux is the entry path for the contributions
15:11:38 <shrini-weechat> you can also contribute to FOSS in near future
15:11:43 <divya> sugi: No worries, it happens gradually. I had to keep using guix on the side for months before I could wrap my head around it.
15:11:48 <sugi> but feeling great chatting with you people
15:11:50 <shrini-weechat> you started already by giving talks and writing blogs
15:12:07 <divya> Oh, nice sugi that's already a great step!
15:12:14 <sugi> shrini-weechat: definitely shrini, I will contribute
15:12:34 <sugi> divya: Thank you so much for your appreciative words divya
15:12:34 <divya> If I can find time I'll make a talk out of the tutorial and maybe present to those interested.
15:13:26 <mahii> shrini-weechat: In our village school HM requested to help out students for their National Means-cum-Merit Scholarship Scheme (NMMS) exam, which will help them for their studies & scholarship. The exam held on 8th December. I'm helping them Logical & Reasoning concepts. So I'm busy right now. 
15:14:35 <shrini-weechat> oh thats nice mahii 
15:14:37 <shrini-weechat> good work
15:14:47 <sugi> shrini-weechat: today learning and working on some postgreSQL homework which is assigned by Syed Jafer.  
15:15:08 <kaartic> sugi: the overwhelming feleing you had is called impostor syndrome. it is very common to programmers. every experienced ones. you'll learn to overcome it over time :-)
15:15:09 <sugi> mahii: Very Good Mahii
15:15:44 <sugi> kaartic: Thank you kaartic, hope so.
15:16:01 <fury999io> shrini-weechat, check dm
15:16:05 <mahii> Thanks shrini-weechat, sugi 
15:16:22 <divya> kaartic: Well said, I experienced it a few hours ago :)
15:17:19 <mohan43u> mahii: is NMMS applicable for all states? is it a central government scheme?
15:17:20 <shrini-weechat> :-)
15:18:26 <mahii> mohan43u: Central Government 
15:19:22 <shrini-weechat> sugi: just keep on using linux and very soon, you find your way of contributions 
15:19:26 <shrini-weechat> there are many ways to do
15:19:37 <shrini-weechat> programming is only one way of them
15:19:43 <shrini-weechat> there are tons of other ways
15:20:06 <sugi> shrini-weechat: ok  shrini
15:20:43 <mahii> mohan43u: I don't know about it for all states. But it is Central Government Scheme 
15:21:07 <shrini-weechat> https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/contribute-to-free-open-source-software-tamil/41648993
15:21:35 <shrini-weechat> we have to find alternate for slideshare
15:21:45 <shrini-weechat> the recent changes are bad
15:21:56 <shrini-weechat> they even took away the slides view too
15:22:07 <shrini-weechat> download is another nightmare
15:22:53 <mohan43u> mahii: yeah, I see the details here https://www.education.gov.in/nmms , interesting
15:23:26 <mahii> shrini-weechat: Yesterday I forgot to share my blog here https://gorlamahesh.wordpress.com/2024/11/26/what-is-irc/
15:23:46 <mohan43u> mahii: looks like this is for class 8 students
15:24:04 <mahii> mohan43u: Yes
15:24:24 <shrini-weechat> mahii: thanks
15:24:38 <shrini-weechat> adding this blog too in the freshrss
15:24:54 <mahii> mohan43u: In our village Govt school upto only 8th
15:25:02 <mohan43u> mahii: nice article.
15:26:19 <shrini-weechat> mahii: good writing
15:26:20 <mahii> Thank you guys shrini-weechat mohan43u 
15:26:25 <shrini-weechat> keep writing more whenever you get time
15:26:39 <shrini-weechat> you can write about the works for the school too
15:26:55 <mohan43u> mahii: you must be from a small village with one or two streets
15:27:41 <sugi> mahii: Informative and understandable blog mahii
15:28:23 <mahii> shrini-weechat: Okay shrini I'll take leave. First I need to prepare and to help students
15:28:27 <mahii> mohan43u: yes
15:28:34 <mohan43u> mahii: :)
15:28:42 <mahii> mohan43u: Billupadu Village, Chejerla Mandal, Nellore District, Andhra Pradesh 
15:29:00 <praem90> Hello everyone 
15:29:03 <mahii> Thanks sugi 
15:29:06 <shrini-weechat> welcome praem90 
15:29:17 <mohan43u> mahii: great to see someone from that kind of background mate.
15:30:03 <mahii> mohan43u: :-)
15:31:38 <sugi> shrini-weechat: //we have to find alternate for slideshare / this website contains only slides shrini?
15:32:27 <shrini-weechat> yes
15:32:33 <shrini-weechat> slideshare is only for slides
15:32:50 <shrini-weechat> they had very nice view of slides long back
15:33:13 <sugi> shrini-weechat: Now we have to move all content to some FOSS which is efficient and sharable?
15:33:38 <shrini-weechat> will be good, if we can find good alternate to move all our slides
15:33:45 <shrini-weechat> to another free site
15:33:55 <shrini-weechat> with easy view/download option
15:34:29 <shrini-weechat> https://kaniyam.cloudns.nz/slides/
15:34:34 <sugi> shrini-weechat: let me try to search from monday (as I have some preparations and homework this week)
15:34:34 <shrini-weechat> moved few of my slides here
15:34:43 <sugi> shrini-weechat: ok
15:34:49 <shrini-weechat> but not having good slide view
15:35:26 <shrini-weechat> sethu_payilagam: learn the javascript quickly
15:35:37 <shrini-weechat> we have many wikipedians who are looking for help
15:35:49 <shrini-weechat> to customize their wikipedia user interface and workflow
15:35:56 <shrini-weechat> will ask them to share their requirements
15:36:08 <sethu_payilagam> Thank you sugi, divya, kaartic, shrini. All those you discussed applies to me as well. And good to know a new word "imposter syndrome". Thank you kaartic
15:36:11 <shrini-weechat> we can do more customizations for wikipedia with javascript
15:36:40 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. 
15:38:12 <shrini-weechat> known things are always handful. unknown things are like ocean
15:39:02 <sethu_payilagam> Again.. I dont know how to compare myself with anything or anyone.. i get easily overwhelmed by the terms and discussions happening around me and will go back to my own shell :( but trying to overcome that feel slowly.. also as I originally said I will easily get carried away.. i am still working on fixing those by reading the book eat the frog. :)
15:39:50 <sugi> shrini-weechat: yes shrini.  I always feel what you said.  In tamil, கற்றது கையளவு கல்லாதது உலகளவு
15:40:19 <sugi> sethu_payilagam: Me too, sethu. 
15:41:34 <sugi> shrini-weechat: I should learn markdown editor, right shrini?
15:41:39 <sethu_payilagam> shrini.. need your help. Can you please provide a small modification that you would want on the billing app. I know you asked me to compare one of the actual bills and try to replicate.. For some reason I felt that as too much left untouched. It would be great if you could tell me a small change to start with. and can add the changes incrementaly
15:42:20 <sethu_payilagam> sugi: :)
15:42:30 <sugi> :)
15:45:01 <shrini-weechat> sugi: markdown is one one of the way we can write text files
15:45:06 <shrini-weechat> to create good documentation
15:45:30 <shrini-weechat> its good to know that so that you can write all your text notes in markdown
15:45:50 <shrini-weechat> learning new things is a life long process
15:46:02 <shrini-weechat> we will be learning always till the last day
15:46:16 <sugi> shrini-weechat: ok shrini, let me start from Monday-mark down learning
15:46:17 <shrini-weechat> so, nothing to worry or panic
15:46:37 <shrini-weechat> sethu_payilagam: hope the billing application is a CLI
15:46:45 <shrini-weechat> can you read the prices from a CSV file?
15:47:04 <sugi> /we will be learning always till the last day/ I like this line 
15:47:04 <kaartic> shrini-weechat : I've found speakerdeck to be a good alternative to slideshare. it has a great UX. it even allows linking to specific slide of a slidedeck
15:47:09 <kaartic> https://speakerdeck.com/
15:47:14 <sethu_payilagam> I did those shrini
15:47:25 <shrini-weechat> nice kaartic 
15:47:27 <shrini-weechat> will check that
15:47:33 <sethu_payilagam> i was able to use the data from the database.
15:47:40 <shrini-weechat> ok sethu_payilagam 
15:47:46 <shrini-weechat> the bill is also ready
15:47:53 <sethu_payilagam> yes
15:47:58 <sugi> shrini-weechat: shrini, let me join tomorrow.  thank you all.
15:48:00 <shrini-weechat> are you storing the bills in a database?
15:48:04 <shrini-weechat> ok sugi 
15:48:06 <shrini-weechat> good night
15:48:27 <shrini-weechat> sethu_payilagam: can you query a bill with bill number?
15:48:36 <sethu_payilagam> No shrini. I am using the price and item from the database and priting the bill in pdf format
15:48:37 <shrini-weechat> and print as pdf?
15:48:48 <sethu_payilagam> i stopped there
15:48:48 <shrini-weechat> sethu_payilagam: store the bill in a database
15:48:56 <sethu_payilagam> ok shrini
15:48:58 <shrini-weechat> so that we can query and print later
15:50:17 <sethu_payilagam> i will try that and come back. I hope you are asking me to store the input (to the pdf) as a value in the DB
15:50:59 <shrini-weechat> es
15:51:01 <shrini-weechat> yes
15:51:10 <shrini-weechat> all the shops will store all the bills
15:51:10 <sethu_payilagam> ok
15:51:17 <shrini-weechat> so that we can use it refer on return
15:51:28 <shrini-weechat> or any doubts in future
15:51:53 <shrini-weechat> we can use that db, to get reports like what products are sold mostly, and least
15:52:07 <shrini-weechat> so that we can plan for discounts on the low sold items
15:52:14 <sethu_payilagam> I got that shrini. But thinking about the format to store. I will try and come back if I have any doubts
15:52:58 <sethu_payilagam> Thank you shrini. Talk to you later.
15:53:25 <shrini-weechat> ok sethu_payilagam 
15:53:40 <shrini-weechat> designing the tables for the bill is the tricker thing
15:53:55 <shrini-weechat> think of that and share the table design in your blog
16:53:39 <Varun7771> hi shrini-weechat:
16:53:44 <Varun7771> hi all
16:54:10 <Varun7771> read log today
16:54:16 <shrini-weechat> hi Varun7771 
16:54:22 <shrini-weechat> thanks
16:54:35 <shrini-weechat> had good conversation today
16:54:39 <Varun7771> about divya's interaction on GNU contribution
16:54:48 <shrini-weechat> yes
16:54:57 <Varun7771> missed that before
16:55:07 <Varun7771> more busy on theekkathir scraping
16:55:39 <Varun7771> Finally done writing pipelines shini
16:56:07 <Varun7771> need to learn selenium
17:13:35 <mohan43u> Varun7771: do you feel selenium is better way to scrap instead of writing crawler in python?
17:17:04 <Varun7771> mohan43u: yes mohan43u, no pagination support from theekkathir :-(
17:17:47 <Varun7771> I have to click "Load more" button to scrape more
17:17:52 <Varun7771> articles
17:18:11 <Varun7771> feels tougher
17:23:40 <Varun7771> hi hariharan:
17:24:11 <hariharan> Hi Varun7771 github link?  Date converter 
17:24:48 <Varun7771> hariharan: sorry hariharan, I havent push my code on github
17:25:00 <hariharan> No issues just a reminder  
17:25:20 <hariharan> You can push and let me know I'll  lookingo 
17:25:35 <Varun7771> wait for a while,
17:25:43 <Varun7771> I have done 90%
17:30:23 <shrini-weechat> Varun7771: always follow this - release daily
17:30:37 <shrini-weechat> dont want to complte the code and then release the code
17:30:48 <shrini-weechat> have a dev branch and publish the code daily
17:30:54 <shrini-weechat> which will help in million ways
17:33:07 <Varun7771> Oh okk shrini
17:33:30 <Varun7771> what is the importance of releasing dev branch and main branch
17:34:02 <Varun7771> shall we dont push directly to main branch at the time of release?
17:35:35 <hariharan> Dev branch is rough  note 
17:35:35 <hariharan> Main branch is faire note concept 
17:35:35 <hariharan> Can you relatr this 
17:36:36 <hariharan> ?
17:38:13 <Varun7771> yeah hariharan
17:38:48 <Varun7771> this is best practice for creating any open source project right?
17:43:42 <hariharan> This is not said as best practice  
17:45:03 <hariharan> This is one of the practice  you can use it and make it best with your thoughts (:)
18:00:55 <Varun7771> o/
18:31:04 <Varun777> https://github.com/vishnumur777/theekkathir-text-dataset/blob/dev/src/TheekkathirDataset/tamil_date_converter/tamil_date_converter.py
18:31:17 <Varun777> hariharan: here is the link
20:36:11 <annamalai> a tutorial on package maintenance would be good and so many ppl can contribute
21:02:28 <shrini-weechat> https://guix.gnu.org/cookbook/en/html_node/
21:02:37 <shrini-weechat> here is guix docs annamalai 
21:09:34 <annamalai> shrini-weechat thanks, will have a look at it
21:10:54 <shrini-weechat> ah annamalai
21:10:54 <annamalai> i did sent a remainder mail to beej few days back but he hasn't responded yet
21:11:03 <shrini-weechat> where do you live?
21:11:14 <shrini-weechat> not sleeping yet?
21:11:17 <annamalai> in Trichy 
21:11:23 <shrini-weechat> sleep soon
21:11:49 <annamalai> that's because i was playing games with classmates and it took time
21:11:56 <annamalai> yes i should 
21:12:22 <shrini-weechat> :-)
21:12:30 <shrini-weechat> enjoy the great times
21:12:41 <mohan43u> annamalai: games in linux?
21:13:11 <annamalai> yes its our olt year in bachelors
21:13:32 <annamalai> mohan43u no, cards physically
21:13:37 <shrini-weechat> olt year?  final year ?
21:13:49 <annamalai> everyone thought to avoid much of screen time
21:14:03 <annamalai> shrini-weechat yes
21:14:16 <shrini-weechat> nice descision
21:14:19 <mohan43u> annamalai: good
21:29:32 <shrini-weechat> https://guix.gnu.org/cookbook/en/html_node/Packaging-Tutorial.html
21:29:57 <shrini-weechat> https://guix.gnu.org/eo/blog/2018/a-packaging-tutorial-for-guix/
21:30:51 <shrini-weechat> these also good tutorials on packaging for guix
22:24:15 <shrini-weechat> #guix irc is so active
22:24:48 <shrini-weechat> check their logs here
22:24:50 <shrini-weechat> https://logs.guix.gnu.org/
22:25:28 <shrini-weechat> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/maintenance.git/tree/hydra/goggles-bot.scm
22:25:33 <shrini-weechat> here the bot code they use
22:26:21 <shrini-weechat> here the code for the web view of the logs
22:26:23 <shrini-weechat> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/maintenance.git/tree/hydra/goggles.scm
22:26:36 <shrini-weechat> all the code are written in schema language
22:26:45 <shrini-weechat> it is kind of lisp