hello all

good morning/ good evening

Hi everyone

Hi Shrini

Hi sugi Varun777

sugi: how Is your laptop?

sugi: hi sugi

Hope all good

yes shrini, luckily nothing wrong

hi shrini

hi varun

written date to tamil string converter for scrapping within the given date

eg: Input: 15/11/2024

output: நவம்பர் 15, 2024

Good Varun777

Share code link too

Good

Publish it as a python package

And add to open-tamil too

sugi: hope you are reading about IRC

Any questions?

yes shrini

shrini: I havent push this to github shrini. I am moved on to selenium part for clicking more button to scrape more content

I read how IRC works - they specified like IRC operates through a network of servers that relay messages between users. Each server is part of an IRC network, and users connect to a server to join the network. Popular IRC networks include Freenode, EFNet, and IRCnet.IRC operates through a network of servers that relay messages between users. Each server is part of an IRC network, and users connect

to a server to join the network. Popular IRC networks include Freenode, EFNet, and IRCnet.

theekkathir haven't provided pagination api :-(

Good day Everyone!

Shrini: I entered one time the above long text, but it took some last part text and sent automatically

Hi Sethu

Hi Sugi

So eaten the frog today?

No.. Friday Vegetarian ;)

:)

but shrini asked you to eat everyday

just kidding. I did not do any reading yesterday and today. Busy running around kids for their classes(i know its an excuse but still)

ok

Sethu: You too giving presentation in meeting, right?

sugi: good

irc.freenode.net was a famous irc network

It got closed few years ago

oh

Then libera.chat was created

I thought you created libera.chat

no

libera.chat is a server

anyone create any channel

shrini server-protocol-network -- should I know all stuffs to give this talk? Just in general I know about server and client, that it

just type "/join #channelname"

it will take you to that channel

yes understood

for example "/join #chennai"

now

ok

liberachat is a server

somebody hosts the server

the things that start with # or ## are channels

anyone can join those channels

You too giving presentation in meeting, right? - yes Sugi

yes joined

did you join #chennai ?

now you created #chennai

we all can join

no

sugi created #chennai now

i found that installation is not included in the syllabus from Syed

yes, joined nobody was there, then returned back

join again to #chennai

really?

shrini: if the channel didn't exist, /join #channel-name will create the channel?

just by giveing /join #channel will create a channel?

yes

oh its very nice

if a channel is there already, you will join

if not, it will create that channel

nice

its so simple, cool

just like whatsapp or telegram groups

how long it will alive?

it will be alive as long as some members hang on there

if all leave the channel, then it will be closed automatically

closed or deleted?

both are same

how do you preserve the chatlogs somewhere?

shrini, but in whatsapp the group will be alive even though people are not active

shrini: that's great shrini, I have created #thiruvallur channel

there are log bots

one example of the logbot is logbot_cc

it is hosted at ircbot.comm-central.org:8080

so next time if I type /join #chennai, again it will create as fresh?

we can invite using "/invite logbot_cc"

to any channel

great

and it will start logging

good

the first person to join/create the channel is called "operator"

operator or OP is the admin

only OP can invite others or kick them out

the OP name will be shows as @name on the name list

where is the @name shrini?

can the operator make others operators if he needs help?

@name means that user is the channel operator

yes

yes amotbeli

OP can invite others to help on the activities

great

OP can make the channel readonly for all other, except few users

it will be helpful, when doing some training via IRC

so that only the trainer types and all listens

until the classes are done

then OP will enable the writing for all

so that anyone can ask questions

yeah, very useful

just like how the zoom / google meet works

shrini: how long you have been using the irc?

there are different commands availble for various operations

I am in IRC since 2005

2005...wow!

shrini: wow

thats so long, very experienced.

at those times, we have very very limited internet

so text chat is the only way to get tech discussions

have you written about those times somewhere?

writing my learnings at my blog from 2006

but, my initial days blog were mostly about the tech issues and solutions

shrini, anybody can join any channel just like that?

will read the old entries

yes sugi

few channels are password protected

similarly any one can use any nick name

now, tell me, how can we protect the nicknames?

what if someone tomorrow joins with the nick name sugi?

oh god

:-)

how to stop that?

you tell

or anyone call tell here

how can we protect our nicknames?

by registering with IRC server

shrini I am student now, you are teacher

with NickServ bot

the questions are to think :-)

we all are student always

when i enter my nick name, it is saying everyday, it is already registered

we can use our password to protect the nicknames

oh ok

can you explain how?

ok let me check

we can change the nickname with "/nick NEWNAME"

hello from my new name

going back to old name

old name now

with your desired nickname, "/msg NickServ REGISTER YourPassword youremail⊙ec"

give this command

this will register your nickname,password and send a link to your email to verify

once you click that link, that nickname is password protected

cool

nice

to identify yourself "/msg NickServ IDENTIFY YourNick YourPassword"

some IRC clients, ask password by default

you can give there, before joining too

ok

the channel OP can set as "only registered nicknames can join"

to their channel

so that they can be sure that the users are authenticated

try joining "#learnandteach" channel

shrini actually what is IRC - chat, or protocol or connecting servers like internet?

its a communication system

it has IRC protocol, IRC servers, IRC clients

I can install a IRC server in my desktop

So its a common name or collection of these

collection of all these

you can run a IRC server in your latop

Will it be downloaded from internet?

just imagine, you are working in a college or office. you need a chat solution for all users there

what will you use now?

most people go with slack, or whatsapp or telegram or discord

i will create a group with some software

they are installed somewhere

yes

have to pay

instead, we can host our own IRC server for our use

but we are not paying for telegram, whatsapp or slack no?

we will have our data with ourselves?

we are paying with giving our details, our text, our photos, our videos to them

oh ok sharing our personal details

but here too we are chatting - so its open right?

yes

got it, here no need to share personal information

its open

no need to give our mobile number or email or anything, there we should do

libera.chat team hosts the IRC server for us to use for free

in my previous office, we had our own IRC server, for all the internal communications

on those days, no slack, no discord

everything went smooth

we had enabled image uploading too

so, we never missed any good features of the slack or telegram

in IRC - image uploading?

forgot to mention, all these IRC stuff is free/open source :-)

hi shrini

hi anish

sorry to interrupt

ask

i have my exam starting from tomorrow

super

i'll upload odoc everyday

please pause all your activities and focus the exams

resume all after the exams

no shrini it barely any time

but i don't think i can attend irc for about a week

sure

take a break

thank you shrini

bye everyone

shrini how to upload images on irc

in liberachat we can not upload images

they might disabled that

if we host our own IRC server, we can eneble

with all text, maintaining the server is easy

oh, okk shrini

the more images, the more disk storage over years, operating cost will increase

some time, IRC have bridges to conect with other chat systems

IRC-slack was there

IRC-matrix is still there

IRC-telegram may be there

some years ago, slack broke their bridge

oh

shrini: If i want to switch between channels should i use /join #channel or any shortcut key is there?

join is to join channel

to switch, each client have some options

oh

now here

you can enable mouse in weechat and then click the channel

with /join too you can switch

/set weechat.look.mouse on

/mouse enable

in weechat to enable mouse

around 1009-2010, IRC was the major chat service that connected millions of people

all the free software have their own IRC channels in freenode

for any queries,we can join there and ask questions

ok

even now, many FOSS software have their IRC channels and discussions

are going daily

#emacs #kde #ubuntu #kubuntu #kde-devel

there are fun channels too

#indians is for general chat

ok

sorry it is #indian

#dgplug is another LUG

#ilugc is for chennai LUG

yes that chat log you shared initially

that xkcd comic is quite funny

the more the times change, the more some people say "our way is the old way" :)

:-)

here is some list of other IRC servers

I have conducted trainings over IRC, some years back, where we had around 2000+ members reading the chat

we can not get that with zoom or google meet or jitsi

or have to pay huge amount

with plaintext, we can do all the magics

if people wish to read

even you might have felt, IRC is slow, boring

we could have daily google meet or jitsi meet

so that we can talk faster than writing

am i right?

shrini, the advantages of IRC is, 1. No need to share our personal information like in other chats 2. Storage is not an issue as other are supporting all media 3. It is open to all, so anybody can view the chat history 4. Anybody can create their own server its free

3 is not true always

oh then

we have to enable logging by inviting logbot_cc

not all channels do the logging

I enabled it for #kaniyam

ok if we are inviting logbot_cc, it will not record

so it will be like personal

but we cannot make a copy of it, right?

if we invite logbot_cc, it will log in public

so that anyone can read the old logs

usually, most channels dont enable logs

they feel that IRC is for casual chat

but, the IRC clients store the logs locally

so if you join with desktop client like pidgin, quassel, it will store the logs

loaclly

weechat also stores

yes I have seen it

so a company can have their own server in IRC, their own channel which is not public, and have their chat history in private by not inviting logbot

Yes

user can have like password also for entry restriction?

Not only company

Families, communities can also do

very nice

Yes

Password protection is there

shrini, in my local storage, after I enter into the chat - that period chat only will get saved, or the entire chat before i join also?

sorry I could check it from mine

For that only we have enabled the chat log

Using logbot_cc

ok

btw i did read the old logs you told me to - about productivity and eat that frog book

very interesting discussion

let me have look at all again, then shoot a question if I have any doubt

i'm thinking of reading that book too. it is always the most important task that seems like a frog.

OK sugi

May be too many new things today

But hope you can share all these in your talk

commands are not necessary for this talk, right?

just as you gave the format yesterday is enough I think

sorry, day before yesterday

Yes can share commands too

Just tell what you know

ok shrini

There is something called Irc bouncer

i don't know about the desktop gui tools, just I can name them

IRC bouncer?

desktop clients - pidgin, Quassel, mIRC

shrini, I have an opinion, this IRC is based on plain text, so let me explain in plain text - if I take slides, then its like we are not believing our own strategry. Your advice please

:-)

thats all good

will be novice one

ok - so it is a challenging task now - like it will be only talk -- it should not get bored also

you can type the notes and topics in text file

ok

shrini any other advantages except I mentioned, comparing to other chats?

If anybody asks, "sometimes we are in need of sharing images or files during chats, so how this IRC helps?"

use image sharing services like imgur.com

and imgbb also there?

yes

did you receive that message?

i tested /msg

yes

thats called DM

direct message

like a channel can i see that relay chat

To share long text in IRC, we should use pastebin services like pastebin.com

etc

yes sugi

you can see the channel and DM list in weechat

yes I could see, but the real conversation - history like this window?

I could switch over to #chennai through /join like thatprivate message window can be seen?

let me signoff. thanks shrini

thanks sugi

Varun777: how do you convert the dates to tamil ?

There already libraries available with internationalisation which allow to change in your favourite language

open tamil its already available

for 15/11/2024 how to get நவம்பர் 15, 2024 ?

Just string manipulation thing shrini

I have taken datetime data type as input and write the function according to the months, which I stored in a dictionary of months

shrini: are you asking me or varun?

ok Varun777

hariharan: do we have this feature in open-tamil ?

if not, we should add

Already available shrini

we need some library to convert as tamil months too

oh fine then

open-tamil/tamil/date.py

I have to do specifically நவம்பர் 15, 2024 as per theekkathir mentioned date for limited scrapping which is according to given date

hariharan: can I do it reverse by converting tamil date string to normal date

eg: Input: நவம்பர் 15, 2024

output: 15/11/2024

on open-tamil

Can you share your scraping code? I'll check if open-tamil has this capabiluty

ok hariharan

Varun you have completed the reverse conversion?

I have checked open-tamil reverse conversion is not implemented yet

tpp is a good terminal based presentation tool

sudo apt install tpp

get examples from here - github.com/cbbrowne/tpp/tree/master/examples

tpp filename.tpp

will show the text based presentation

tpp is cool

I use org-present in emacs for text based presentations

slides

also cool

sudo snap install slides

its fuly based on markdown

tpp has good animation too

dev.to/hariharanumapathi/poc-tamil-date-parser-using-parse-5b70 i have a poc for parsing date coversion using open tamil and parser

very nice

good to know about the parse module

these is another long time dream, to conver all the date to another date

like jan 14 to சித்திரை 1

there is tamil calendar and thiruvalluvar calendar

similarly each indian language has its own date

if possible, we can get those calculations and write into python

All is good!

now just started a baby step :)

its a good start

I tried to implement strptime from python source into but it is 500 line of code so just took a shortcut :) for varun's simple usecase

Good night shrini I'll try to talk about this in kanchilug and get other people's input to make it better

After we can put this in open-tamil