05:22:43 <Varun777> hi all
13:36:40 <shrini> hello all
13:36:59 <shrini> Varun777: how is your mlterm explorations ?
13:43:02 <shrini-irccloud> Hi sugi 
13:43:06 <shrini-irccloud> Hi sethu_payilagam 
13:43:10 <shrini-irccloud> Hi Varun777 
13:43:10 <sugi> hi shrini
13:43:30 <shrini-irccloud> Share your blog post URL here
13:43:34 <shrini-irccloud> On exception
13:44:07 <sugi> Exception not completed - in prgress.  do you want me post?
13:44:40 <sugi> I mean sharing the URL.
13:45:38 <shrini-irccloud> Yes
13:45:48 <shrini-irccloud> Post the link that you have published
13:46:18 <sugi> OK
13:46:51 <sugi> https://sugidiary.wordpress.com/2024/11/13/exception-handling/
13:47:05 <sugi> I am working on it now.
13:51:02 <shrini-irccloud> Ok
13:51:07 <shrini-irccloud> Good one
13:51:40 <sugi> thank you shrini
13:53:01 <shrini-irccloud> Send a mail to kanchilug mailing list on your next talk
13:53:07 <shrini-irccloud> For this Sunday 
13:53:35 <sugi> But I don't know in which topic 
13:53:38 <sethu_payilagam> Hi Shrini. Good morning. Good day! Everyone
13:53:52 <sugi> Good morning Sethu
13:54:10 <sethu_payilagam> Nice blog Sugi about your first talk
13:54:40 <sugi> I think what I am stuyding now at Payilagam - from that one topic I could and give, so its useful for my studies also
13:54:47 <sugi> thank you sethu
13:54:48 <sethu_payilagam> I hope many of us would've been in that situation.. I am atleast there :)
13:55:06 <sugi> :)
13:55:39 <sethu_payilagam> Shrini.. I received the book and started reading.. "Eat the Frog" :)
13:56:04 <shrini-irccloud> Nice sethu_payilagam 
13:56:09 <shrini-irccloud> So quick
13:56:10 <sethu_payilagam> literally started the first chapter.. but already implementing a few ideas in my da2 day work
13:56:33 <sethu_payilagam> started to list the priorities for that day.. and trying to close as much as possible
13:56:36 <shrini-irccloud> Can you share the things you read here daily ?
13:56:47 <sugi> yes nice idea shrini
13:56:52 <sethu_payilagam> to be frank.. started this yesterday and I felt its working.. so continuing today as well
13:57:07 <shrini-irccloud> Explain more on what you read
13:57:21 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. I will do.
13:57:29 <shrini-irccloud> From today :-)
13:57:33 <sethu_payilagam> :)
13:57:51 <sugi> we are waiting sethu :)
13:58:43 <sethu_payilagam> I will tell what I read so far and what I practice in just a few words.. nothing new or fancy but to me sounded practical to implement
14:00:58 <sethu_payilagam> As I said I am a person who is so unorganized.. stepping into almost everything i come across in a given day. say for eg: if Shrini says study python a specific topic i will do it.. and if some article says this subject has got the good future i will go behind them for a while.. in between i will get into my office work.. movies.. etc etc etc.. and it continues.. 
14:06:59 <sethu_payilagam> i will continue sharing my learning about the book tomorrow. 
14:07:08 <sethu_payilagam> Thats it Shrini and Sugi :)
14:07:26 <sugi> nice, thanks sethu
14:07:45 <sugi> but instead frog they would have given some toher
14:07:54 <sethu_payilagam> :)
14:08:05 <sugi> name like dish... eating frog - imagine, God.
14:08:35 <sethu_payilagam> they have an explanation to that as well.. 
14:08:47 <sugi> pls go ahead
14:09:41 <sugi> /pls/ it is please 
14:10:00 <Varun777> shrini: Hi shrini
14:10:07 <sethu_payilagam> The truth about Frogs: It has been said that if the first thing you do each morning is to eat a live frog, you can go through the day with the satisfaction of knowing what is probably the worst thing that is going to happen to you all day long!
14:11:56 <sethu_payilagam> And the second rule : if you have to eat a live frog at all, it doesn't pay to sit and look at it for very long.. :) :)
14:13:18 <sugi> what.கடவுளே என்னைக் காப்பாற்று
14:14:15 <sugi> thanks sethu, enough for today. 
14:14:37 <sethu_payilagam> yes thats right :)
14:14:44 <shrini> here, the frog means the important task we want to do for any day
14:14:58 <shrini> we always postpone that task 
14:15:11 <sugi> but the points are good. let me try to implement
14:15:30 <shrini> instead of doing that A task, we do all the C,D tasks
14:15:38 <shrini> which have less important
14:15:47 <shrini> or dont have any important
14:15:58 <shrini> just imagine, how many big tasks we have dreamed of
14:16:11 <shrini> but missed to even start 
14:16:12 <shrini> doing
14:16:19 <shrini> those are the frogs
14:16:39 <shrini> find why we skip them, why we fear to start them
14:17:11 <sugi> but in case if we can't finish the task within the time period, just have to start next task.  or postpone
14:18:10 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: share your answer for the above question
14:18:33 <shrini> or anyone can answer
14:19:02 <sethu_payilagam> whichever you left in half way.. give the top priority to that and try to close that the next day as the first item
14:19:18 <sugi> For ex. I planned for A tasks-2, B task-1, C task-1.  I will concentrate on A task, one completed, and another A in progress now reached like eveinig time
14:19:40 <sethu_payilagam> that is waht am planning to do for the tasks i took yesterday but didn't get a chance to start.. as those are still top priority than anything else
14:20:38 <sugi> so can i skip task B and C, continue task-A 2nd one. Or just pause it, and continue with B and C
14:21:43 <sethu_payilagam> Sorry jumping between my office laptop and this one
14:22:02 <sugi> no issues
14:22:02 <sethu_payilagam> yes Sugi.. I think this is the principle they use in SCRUM as well
14:22:23 <sethu_payilagam> sometime you tend to overcommit by taking up too many tasks
14:22:36 <sethu_payilagam> which you will come to know when you actually start to work.. 
14:23:24 <sethu_payilagam> using that as a learning.. when you set the priorities the next time.. you will carefully pick the task and the timeline to complete those..
14:23:44 <sethu_payilagam> shrini - Is that correct understanding?
14:24:21 <sugi> i got it, but could you please explain with my task question - so that its easy for me to understand better
14:24:40 <sugi> so can i skip task B and C, continue task-A 2nd one. Or just pause it, and continue with B and C ? 
14:24:54 <sugi> because its nearly day ending
14:25:08 <sugi> in that situation what should i do
14:26:17 <sethu_payilagam> yes.. if you think task A is taking too much time for you to complete.. split that into child task and try to complete the next day.. sparing task b and c for another day.. that way you will atleast complete task a fully and feel accomplished
14:26:35 <sethu_payilagam> child tasks~
14:26:39 <sugi> /so can i skip task B and C, continue task-A 2nd one. Or just pause it, and continue with B and C / start with B and C as its easy and less priority tasks
14:26:47 <sugi> ok 
14:27:22 <sethu_payilagam> sorry sugi.  not sure if my answer provided a solution to your question.. 
14:27:29 <shrini> dont start B or C until A is completed
14:27:39 <sugi> got it
14:27:47 <shrini> A is not in size
14:27:59 <shrini> some big A tasks will span across days and months
14:28:13 <sugi> yes 
14:28:23 <shrini> split into tiny actionable chunks, that can be done in a fixed time, for any day
14:28:49 <shrini> if you have one hour to work, then plan for one A, one B and one C
14:29:00 <sugi> ok
14:29:08 <shrini> 25 min for A - break for 5 min
14:29:19 <shrini> 15 min for B - break for 5 min
14:29:30 <shrini> 5-7 min for C
14:29:48 <shrini> split like this
14:30:24 <sethu_payilagam> perfect !
14:30:31 <sethu_payilagam> thanks shrini!
14:30:33 <sugi> but if mix tasks, we may miss the flow right. 
14:32:09 <sugi> For ex. I am writing a blog its taking quite a lot of time as its my earlier days, but I have some other coding work also there.  If I leave blog work in the middle that flow I may loose, and next time it will take some extra time to recollect and restart
14:33:34 <sugi> but I fixed like task A-is blog writing, and B-is Coding.  For A giving 25min time, can't finish, then in the middle coding should I start?
14:34:00 <shrini-irccloud> It depends on the urgency of B
14:34:15 <shrini-irccloud> In general, its good to complete A
14:34:28 <shrini-irccloud> Or split the blog into multiple parts
14:34:41 <shrini-irccloud> And plan for only 20 min 
14:35:01 <sugi> ok
14:35:24 <sugi> thank you so much shrini and sethu for your patience first 
14:35:33 <sugi> i know i am questioning more
14:35:37 <sugi> sorry
14:41:08 <shrini> sugi: we need such questions
14:41:17 <shrini> they are driving the discussions
14:41:41 <shrini> if no questions, then chats will be boring
14:41:54 <sugi> then can i ask another one?
14:42:01 <sugi>  shrini may I know how long will it take for you to write one blog - if its technical? 
14:42:23 <shrini> for technical blogs, I take same time as writing code
14:42:32 <sugi> you have search for the content, read it, then have to write the blog in your own way
14:42:41 <shrini> code and documentation are equally time taking things
14:42:51 <shrini> yes
14:43:07 <shrini> but, the more we write, the more quicker we can make 
14:43:14 <shrini> just like cooking
14:43:35 <shrini> on initial days, we take much time to cut the veggies, prepare the things etc
14:44:07 <shrini> but, as we grow, we plan what to cook, in previous day itself and do the essential things
14:44:26 <sugi> yes true
14:44:28 <shrini> and we think about cooking while doing some other task
14:44:35 <shrini> we dont have any planning time for cook
14:44:49 <shrini> the same is for writing code and blogs
14:45:15 <shrini> inner mind should keep on thinking while we do mundane tasks
14:45:23 <shrini> it will reduce the planning time
14:45:37 <shrini> we should sit in front of computer and then start thinking
14:45:46 <shrini> sorry
14:45:59 <shrini> we should not sit in front of computer, and then start think
14:46:27 <shrini> but, some blogs need research
14:46:35 <sugi> thats what
14:46:39 <shrini> make the research as a task of B
14:46:46 <sugi> ok
14:46:54 <shrini> one day do the research
14:46:58 <shrini> next day write blog
14:47:24 <shrini> preparing things itself its own task
14:47:24 <sugi> I am doing like that only
14:47:51 <sugi> but then also in between checking the content as its new for me
14:48:25 <sugi> not all, some stuffs which have lot of subdivisions
14:48:54 <shrini> yes
14:49:00 <sugi> so its taking 2 days for me (class, and other works also there)
14:49:13 <shrini> realise that this is the same pattern 
14:49:30 <shrini> its okey to write blog once in 2 days
14:49:54 <sugi> ok shrini
14:49:59 <shrini> remember that writing blog = writing code
14:50:10 <sugi> thank you so much for your guidance
14:50:12 <shrini> same efforts are required for both
14:50:25 <shrini> and we have only limited time
14:50:29 <sugi> yes
14:50:52 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: please continue here with your daily learnings
14:51:01 <shrini> publish them in your blog too
14:51:34 <sugi> thank you shrini
14:51:53 <sugi> today let me finish this exception and tomorrow let me connect
14:51:56 <shrini> thanks for the discussions and questions
14:52:01 <shrini> sure sugi
14:52:49 <shrini> sugi: hope you can give a talk about IRC
14:52:53 <shrini> in kanchilug meeting
14:53:00 <sugi> I should thank you for patiently answering my questions
14:53:16 <shrini> as you are the good experience person using weechat and IRC, you can give a talk on that
14:53:38 <shrini> no need to share thanks here daily :-)
14:53:39 <sugi> IRC. Shrini, its best suitable for you, I am just a low level beginner
14:53:56 <shrini> we need talks from beginners for beginners
14:54:10 <shrini> we all are beginners always :-)
14:54:24 <sugi> shrini I should admit you are a great speaker
14:54:34 <sugi> :)
14:54:56 <sugi> but I don't know much about technically
14:54:59 <shrini> may be. but I want sugi and others here to become a good speaker, by giving regular talks
14:55:08 <shrini> I will send some links
14:55:21 <shrini> just go through them and give a talk
14:55:25 <sugi> just how the people are collaborating and sharing stuffs -- that only
14:55:38 <shrini> and share your experience
14:56:09 <shrini> or if you want to talk about java stuff, that also fine
14:56:23 <sugi> ok, if your links are in tamil, i feel better
14:56:26 <shrini> plan for a topic by EOD and send a mail to the list
14:56:41 <shrini> in tamil, there is one video
14:56:51 <sugi> Muthu sir video?
14:57:26 <shrini> yes
14:57:28 <shrini> https://kaniyam.com/what-is-irc-an-introduction/
14:57:51 <sugi> but talk will be how long?
14:57:54 <shrini> Here is small video in Tamil by my friend Muthuramalingam of Payilagam – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGurYNb0BM8
14:58:03 <shrini> 20 min is enough
14:58:17 <Varun777> sugi: who is muthu sir?
14:58:39 <sugi> My professor - at Payilagam
14:58:53 <anish> hi everyone
14:58:56 <shrini> https://payilagam.com/instructor/muthuramalingam/
14:59:09 <shrini> anish: hi
14:59:16 <sugi> ok shrini.  but anybody asks doubts I am not sure i could able to answer
14:59:26 <shrini> just tell whatever you know
14:59:35 <sugi> Ok shrini
14:59:48 <shrini> note down the questions and send the answer to the mailing list later
14:59:57 <shrini> thats how we can learn
15:00:15 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: send your talk details to the list too
15:00:34 <sugi> let me try - but please don't expect much - I am not sure about mine
15:00:36 <shrini> Varun777: your talk too
15:00:46 <shrini> give it a try
15:01:08 <sugi> sure shrini
15:01:10 <shrini> IRC is not something too technical thing
15:01:16 <shrini> structure the talk like below
15:01:25 <shrini> introduction to plaintext
15:01:32 <shrini> why plaintext is important
15:01:36 <shrini> intro to IRC
15:01:40 <shrini> little history
15:01:51 <shrini> about various IRC networks and various clients
15:01:59 <shrini> few channels to join
15:02:15 <shrini> how to enable logbot_cc
15:02:21 <shrini> how to get local logs
15:02:33 <shrini> why IRC is good
15:02:53 <sugi> ok shrini
15:02:58 <shrini> the diff between other chat platforms like slack,telegram/whatsapp etc
15:03:00 <shrini> thats all
15:03:16 <sugi> will try for sure
15:03:22 <shrini> finally, share our daily meetings info here
15:03:32 <shrini> invite the people to join here
15:03:52 <sugi> ok
15:04:23 <sugi> so when should I send the email?
15:04:58 <shrini> now
15:05:01 <shrini> or by EOD
15:05:16 <sugi> to all mailing list?
15:06:23 <shrini> yes
15:06:32 <shrini> to kanchilug mailing list
15:06:42 <shrini> kanchilug⊙fo
15:06:52 <sugi> like what dhanasekar sent in that format?
15:06:58 <shrini> yes
15:07:23 <sugi> ok shrini I will do
15:07:49 <sugi> in tamil only, right?
15:07:56 <shrini> talk can be in tamil
15:08:01 <shrini> mail can be in english
15:08:06 <sugi> ok
15:08:43 <sethu_payilagam> send your talk details to the list too - for this week db session shrini?
15:08:44 <sugi> let me connect tomorrow, thanks shrini
15:09:17 <shrini> yes sethu_payilagam
15:09:20 <shrini> ok sugi
15:09:24 <sugi> thank you all
15:09:32 <sethu_payilagam> ok Shrini
15:09:35 <shrini> anish: your ODOC is going tamil too
15:09:37 <shrini> https://kaniyam.com/odoc-tamil-pwd/
15:09:49 <shrini> hariharan is translating to tamil and writing in kaniyam
15:09:52 <anish> wow thats amazing
15:09:55 <shrini> thanks for your nice works
15:11:47 <anish> today i tried using python in linux
15:12:01 <shrini> good
15:12:06 <shrini> it will be easy
15:12:14 <shrini> install bpython3
15:12:19 <anish> initially i faced errors using tkinter
15:12:27 <shrini> ah
15:12:47 <anish> then i learnt about variables now it works
15:13:00 <shrini> dont start with GUI things 
15:13:09 <shrini> start with writing CLI applications first
15:13:41 <anish> you mean cli applications with python?
15:13:52 <shrini> yes
15:14:06 <shrini> learn to code CLI first
15:14:15 <shrini> it will be so minimal and clean with CLI
15:14:46 <anish> do you mean bash scripting
15:15:04 <shrini> no bash
15:15:22 <shrini> you can write the command line applications in python itself 
15:15:38 <anish> yes i just installed emacs today
15:16:14 <shrini> super
15:16:56 <shrini> https://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2020/06/16/quick-easy-guide-to-getting-started-with-emacs-editor/
15:17:09 <shrini> anish: explore this easy tutorial for emacs and start using it
15:17:27 <anish> ok shrini i will check
15:20:18 <sethu_payilagam> i will study about it but what is emacs Shrini and anish?
15:20:47 <shrini> emacs is a text editor
15:20:56 <sethu_payilagam> ok ok
15:21:05 <shrini> but it has an entire operating system with in
15:21:27 <shrini> I am chatting here within emacs
15:22:19 <shrini> I use emacs for my TODO list manager, journal, knowledge base, secrets/credentaisl manager, IRC chat client 
15:22:46 <shrini> few people use it as email client, RSS feed reader, music player, file manager etc
15:22:51 <sethu_payilagam> wow.. thats a lot.. i will definitely read about it
15:23:03 <shrini> we can extend it to anything, with tons of packages available
15:23:11 <sethu_payilagam> i have seen many times you and other friends here using that term and am curious
15:23:19 <shrini> Richard Stallman gave it along with GCC
15:24:23 <shrini> https://ismailefe.org/blog/why_use_emacs/
15:24:36 <anish> i tried using python with emacs and it was like using a python editor even though its not
15:25:00 <shrini> https://batsov.com/articles/2011/11/19/why-emacs/
15:25:39 <shrini> anish: you can make emacs as a full python IDE
15:25:48 <shrini> with all the autocomplete, suggesting features
15:25:57 <shrini> just search for it
15:26:12 <shrini> before that, use it just like a plain text editor
15:26:19 <shrini> learn the org mode and its structure
15:26:31 <shrini> use it for your daily journaling and taking notes
15:26:48 <shrini> the soon, we start using emacs, its good for our life time
15:28:07 <anish> that is cool i'll defenitely check it out
15:34:10 <anish> i'll join tomorrow
16:26:49 <Varun777> hi shrini
16:27:23 <Varun777> Anyhow I have installed mlterm on fedora
16:28:00 <Varun777> packages are way more different comparing with ubuntu and fedora for installing dependencies
16:44:57 <hariharan>  my scheduled post on odoc tamil series now out check it out http://kaniyam.com/odoc-tamil-poweroff
17:00:32 <Varun777> hariharan: superb translation on tamil
17:08:50 <hariharan> Varun777: Thanks , Your julia introduction on ilugc was very nice 
19:10:04 <shrini> thanks hariharan
19:10:10 <shrini> good post on poweroff