11:52:15 <sethu_payilagam> Good morning Shrini
11:53:05 <sethu_payilagam> made a small progress yesterday by securing the db conenctions using configparser
11:53:58 <sethu_payilagam> updated the blog post with the same. I will work on formatting the pdf from here. 
14:37:30 <Karunakaran> hello
14:37:54 <anish> hello everyone
14:38:07 <sugi> hi everyone
14:43:54 <shrini> hello all
14:43:58 <shrini> apologies for the delay
14:44:04 <shrini> had to goto kids school
14:44:06 <shrini> to drop them
14:44:10 <sugi> its ok
14:44:13 <shrini> we missed the schoolbus today
14:44:22 <shrini> hello Karunakaran 
14:44:23 <sugi> oh
14:44:25 <shrini> welcome
14:45:07 <anish> sorry shrini i missed odoc yesterday
14:45:14 <sugi> shrini you can relax for sometime 
14:45:46 <sugi> shrini:after 5min you can start
14:45:47 <shrini> thats fine sugi 
14:46:00 <shrini> anish: its okey to miss some days
14:46:08 <shrini> do on a relax way
14:46:25 <shrini> you can skip on exam days and preperation days too
14:46:42 <anish> so today i made two connected commannds head and tail
14:46:51 <shrini> nice
14:46:53 <anish> thank you shrini
14:47:33 <shrini> but, make it small always
14:47:36 <Karunakaran> actually i am currently using ubuntu 22 lts in my laptop and the battery is draining quickly, when i search about the problem i came to know that nvidia graphics card is taking too much power (may be optimization issue) after i turn off my nvidia graphics card the issue was solved. any suggestions.
14:47:43 <shrini> so that people can learn one byte at a time
14:47:54 <Karunakaran> hello shrini
14:48:00 <shrini> yes Karunakaran 
14:48:10 <shrini> GPU is power killer
14:48:15 <shrini> sudo apt install powertop
14:48:19 <shrini> and then 
14:48:23 <shrini> sudo powertop
14:48:24 <anish> ok shrini i will keep that in mind
14:48:43 <shrini> this will give you the top most battery killing applications
14:48:46 <Karunakaran> the gde is also taking too much ram
14:49:08 <shrini> check them and know who is eating battery
14:49:29 <shrini> htop, btop are other utilities to know who is eating ram
14:49:36 <shrini> install them too and test
14:49:56 <Karunakaran> ok shrini, i will check. thank you.
14:50:07 <shrini> if you have any queries, you can ask in https://forums.tamillinuxcommunity.org/ too
14:50:11 <shrini> in tamil or english
14:51:20 <Karunakaran> thank you shrini
14:52:04 <sugi> shrini I worked on adding new entry - now trying to diaplay all in the list
14:52:27 <shrini> good
14:52:33 <shrini> hope it is coming good
14:52:37 <sugi> and with bootstrap also my design is very worst. 
14:52:45 <shrini> ah
14:52:50 <shrini> dont think that way
14:53:14 <shrini> for now, a simple form with bootstrap css is enough
14:53:21 <shrini> dont worry on the beauty
14:53:32 <sugi> I am struggling to design -- coding part interestingly doing
14:53:32 <shrini> that is the headache of frontend designers always
14:53:47 <shrini> then, you are a born backend engineer
14:54:00 <shrini> dont worry about the frontend
14:54:08 <sugi> Shrini : no no
14:54:28 <sugi> I am OK - learner - beginner
14:54:53 <shrini> its okey to have a non "wow" frontend
14:55:01 <shrini> dont spend too much attention to that
14:55:35 <sugi> actually 2 days completely wasted
14:56:04 <shrini> there is no wastage in learning
14:56:14 <shrini> every attempt to do something is some learning
14:56:20 <sugi> ok shrini
14:56:20 <shrini> result is not important
14:56:31 <shrini> the progress and process is important in learning
14:56:39 <shrini> CSS is not easy as programming
14:56:42 <shrini> https://www.csszengarden.com/
14:56:42 <sugi> Specifically in SQL any projects are there in Kaniyam?
14:56:45 <shrini> check this site now
14:57:03 <shrini> then this 
14:57:04 <shrini> https://www.csszengarden.com/pages/alldesigns/
14:57:25 <shrini> with same content, different CSS can give complete different look
14:57:29 <sugi> ok
14:57:37 <shrini> they are done by great designers
14:58:14 <shrini> check few designs and reply here
14:58:25 <shrini> Karunakaran: share some intro about you
14:58:36 <shrini> how did you got to know about this IRC meetings?
14:58:39 <sugi> ok shrini
14:58:40 <shrini> what client do you use?
15:02:55 <Karunakaran> hello shrini, i am following kanchi lug/ villupuram lug from my college days (around 2015), also following your blogs but not frequently.
15:05:39 <shrini> oh nice Karunakaran 
15:05:41 <shrini> thanks
15:05:48 <shrini> do you have any blog?
15:06:02 <shrini> you can read all our blogs at https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/
15:06:11 <shrini> if you have any blog, will add there too
15:06:20 <Karunakaran> i was tried but not started.
15:06:20 <shrini-irccloud> https://alvaromontoro.com/blog/68055/ten-css-one-liners-for-almost-every-project#limit-content-width
15:06:22 <Armageddon> \o
15:07:07 <annamalai> o/
15:07:41 <shrini> Armageddon: \o/
15:07:57 <Armageddon> I'll bbl
15:07:59 <shrini> sugi: check the above link too, later
15:08:08 <sugi> ok shrini
15:09:33 <sugi> shrini If I am working on another window, is there any way to indicate that I received some message in IRC?
15:11:57 <Karunakaran> do you know shrini, some years before Ezhil language founder mr.Muthaiah Annamalai was arranged a meeting at chennai. I am also one of the person invited by him but due to some personal reasons i cant attend.
15:13:58 <shrini> sugi: i will explore on IRC notification
15:14:06 <shrini> oh, nice Karunakaran 
15:14:42 <shrini> https://photos.app.goo.gl/AFlpDs67czWg9vsr1
15:14:58 <shrini> check here that event photos on march 24 2018
15:17:38 <hariharan> Is there  any channel for emacs
15:17:48 <hariharan> In irc
15:17:52 <Karunakaran> nice event
15:17:57 <shrini> #emacs is there hariharan 
15:18:07 <shrini> it is very active
15:18:27 <shrini> Karunakaran: start a blog soon and write your learnings and activities
15:18:39 <shrini> hariharan: you too write about the open-tamil-php works
15:18:46 <shrini> and the other things you do
15:18:56 <shrini> documenting what we do is very important
15:19:01 <shrini> it will inspire others
15:19:48 <shrini> #emacs-beginners is also there 
15:20:10 <shrini> sugi: I am living in terminal or emacs for all my life
15:20:22 <shrini> for me also, design is tough
15:20:38 <shrini> even a basic form is tough for me
15:21:28 <shrini> dont worry much on the design
15:21:35 <shrini> just add a simple form and add bootstrap css
15:21:47 <Karunakaran> /documenting what we do is very important// nicely said srini, i realized this long ago. also the truth is i love documenting. I will start soon.
15:21:52 <shrini> once the addressbook project is completed, we can move to next project
15:23:01 <shrini> https://goinggnu.wordpress.com/
15:23:02 <sugi> ok shrini
15:23:12 <hariharan> sugi: To sharpen your frontend skills try fronend-mentor websites to learn design principles 
15:23:20 <shrini> I am writing here since nov 1 2006
15:23:26 <sugi> shrini please give some sql based project
15:23:36 <shrini> sure
15:23:58 <shrini> once you are fine with the CRUD thing on data based projects, it is same for all the projects
15:24:16 <shrini> Create Read Update Delete - CRUD
15:24:21 <hariharan> sugi: You have already a sql project 
15:24:28 <hariharan> Address  booj 
15:24:38 <shrini> we will be doing the same things for all the projects
15:25:00 <shrini> hariharan: her current project is using html/css/js and LocalStorage as backend
15:25:01 <sugi> /
15:25:02 <shrini> no SQL there
15:25:03 <sugi> I am writing here since nov 1 2006/ Thats great
15:25:37 <shrini> once the current addressbook is done, make the same with SQL as backend
15:25:51 <shrini> but to use SQL, you need a language like python or java
15:26:02 <sugi> yes let me try on java
15:26:09 <sugi> as i am learning now
15:26:17 <shrini> fine, then make it as a command line application first
15:26:25 <shrini> then, make a web application
15:26:34 <sugi> sure shrini
15:27:52 <hariharan> I'm writing when ever i have time  3 post per week for consistency  right now 
15:28:04 <shrini> yes, thats a good plan
15:30:30 <shrini> Karunakaran: are you working on any projects?
15:30:45 <shrini> hariharan is porting open-tamil to php
15:30:56 <shrini> sugi: how are your talk preparations going on?
15:31:12 <shrini> https://freetamilebooks.com/authors/nithyaduraisamy/
15:31:18 <hariharan> shrini: how do you approach old spaghetti  code 
15:31:19 <shrini> get the HTML book from here
15:31:29 <sugi> not yet started, but had discussion with Sir
15:31:45 <sugi> sure shrini
15:31:49 <shrini> in slideshare.net, you can get free slides on any topic
15:31:52 <shrini> you can use them too
15:32:00 <shrini> no need to work on slides from scratch
15:32:07 <sugi> ok
15:32:19 <shrini> at the same time, create small sample HTML files, for each topic
15:32:31 <shrini> and show them and explain them one by one on the demo tine
15:32:33 <shrini> time
15:33:08 <shrini> its ok, if you show only the code or doc and explain
15:33:14 <sugi> actually planned to show some Registration form which have variety of controls - then from scratch explaining and designing
15:33:15 <shrini> you can skip slides too
15:33:22 <shrini> ok
15:33:34 <shrini> proceed with your plans
15:33:46 <sugi> Muthu Sir gave this idea
15:33:56 <shrini> that will be interesting
15:34:29 <sugi> shrini : have seen the css links
15:34:35 <sugi> let me try on that
15:34:46 <shrini> nice
15:34:56 <sugi> but my own design also will post once its over
15:35:03 <sugi> then this also like a copy
15:35:13 <shrini> css zen garden is a good example of how css can give wonderful makeover for same content
15:35:27 <shrini> CSS itself is a powerful thing
15:35:33 <shrini> it will take time to master it
15:35:39 <shrini> it is an art form
15:35:47 <shrini> like drawing/painting
15:36:02 <sugi> yes shrini - its an art - thats why struggling :)
15:36:20 <shrini> so dont go down if you can are not good at any art
15:36:34 <sugi> ok
15:36:47 <shrini> go slow and steady
15:36:58 <sugi> yes
15:37:08 <shrini> we can not be good at many things at a same time
15:37:33 <sugi> yes. true
15:37:51 <sugi> can i sign off now shrini?
15:37:54 <shrini> hariharan: can you explain your query?
15:37:55 <shrini> sure sugi 
15:37:57 <shrini> thanks
15:38:05 <sugi> thanks shrini
15:40:46 <Karunakaran> sugi://actually 2 days completely wasted//. sugi i have to tell one thing from my experience. In programming/ learning there is no wast of time. While I am working on my project during college days i am very beginner to programming, with my own interest i started to develop some applications, that time i will get more number of errors and mistakes so i will keep trying to solve the errors
15:40:59 <Karunakaran> but i could not. at the same time i progress only a little bit for a whole day, like if i clear a error in a line then while building the project the error will occur at another line. In my case while i am going sleep i will remember like "i made a progress today" even its a very simple/ small progress its worked for me. at the same time i will visualize my goal. so dont think like this.
15:42:22 <Karunakaran> no shrini i am not bounded with any projects
15:42:43 <shrini> correct Karunakaran 
15:42:53 <shrini> progress is important on the learning phase
15:43:02 <shrini> will ask sugi to read the chatlogs tomorrwo
15:43:19 <shrini> all our chats are logged here automatically 
15:43:20 <shrini> https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/kaniyam
15:43:27 <shrini> thanks to our logbot_cc 
15:43:39 <shrini> Karunakaran: do you have time to pick some project?
15:43:45 <shrini> have to worked on open-tamil ?
15:44:16 <shrini> hariharan: you got a reply email from muthu
15:44:26 <shrini> thanks for the PR
15:44:35 <shrini> https://github.com/Ezhil-Language-Foundation/open-tamil/pull/259
15:44:52 <Karunakaran> even if it changed from null pointer exception to some other error, i will think like i did something today.
15:45:19 <shrini> hope it get merged soon hariharan 
15:45:27 <anish> i will work on flask tommorow shrini
15:45:43 <shrini> nice anish 
15:46:04 <shrini> Karunakaran: check our project ideas from here - https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues
15:46:09 <anish> i will join again tommorow
15:46:13 <shrini> ok anish 
15:46:34 <hariharan> shrini: I have difficulties in understanding old codebases  where no framework or clean code practices made in codebase 
15:46:34 <hariharan> Its harder to get the flow to know what done there for 
15:47:47 <shrini> welcome to the real world
15:48:09 <shrini> we have to break our heads with staring the code for hours and hours
15:48:13 <shrini> that is the only way
15:48:37 <shrini> good way to start is to add tons comments 
15:48:42 <shrini> with our understanding
15:48:42 <Karunakaran> even though i dont have time i will look into the project ideas shrini.
15:48:50 <shrini> near each function/method
15:48:56 <shrini> thanks Karunakaran 
15:53:47 <shrini> hariharan: add more comments with your understandings
15:53:57 <shrini> thats is a good start
16:07:11 <hariharan> shrini:  I have updated ubuntu os to ssd but it still takes 1.5mins to run the start job 
16:07:15 <hariharan> Why? 
16:31:49 <shrini> what is the start job you are refering hariharan ?
16:32:24 <shrini> do you mean the time taken after login screen and to get the ubuntu desktop?
16:32:39 <shrini> check the autostarting daemons and stop them all
16:50:47 <shrini-irccloud> Ping
16:51:51 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: thanks for your next postgres talk
16:52:07 <shrini> annamalai: thanks for the gdb talk at kanchilug
16:52:38 <shrini> hariharan: systemctl list-unit-files --type=service | less
16:52:44 <shrini> run this command too
16:52:54 <shrini> to know what are the services are enabled by default
18:01:51 <hariharan> In Plymouth boot screen after mounting swap system 
18:01:51 <hariharan> /dev/uuid/xxxxxx is starting  0s / 1m30s like timer is running after it runs other services like ssh apache mysql starts and ubuntu desktop login  is opening 
18:07:30 <shrini> oh
18:07:48 <shrini> we need to get some more logs to dig deeper
18:07:59 <shrini> please ask in https://forums.tamillinuxcommunity.org/
18:42:18 <annamalai> shrini: thanks to you as well for insisting to do a talk
19:57:19 <shrini-irccloud> https://neilzone.co.uk/2024/02/improving-my-laptops-battery-with-tlp/
19:57:51 <shrini-irccloud> https://linrunner.de/tlp/index.html
19:58:02 <shrini-irccloud> Seems with tlp we can save laptop battery