12:15:06 shrini: you can get a vps for that much cost right 12:15:12 why use single purpose hosting 13:30:46 Hi shrini 13:32:35 I have gone through some bootstrap stuffs. Got some idea, don't want to copy paste simply, want to understand somewhat. so reading, and doing the code. 13:33:23 I think today half will get finished, let me update in the blog. 13:36:46 Hello all 13:36:54 Good evening/morning 13:37:13 sugi: how are you? 13:37:19 Share your updates 13:38:13 fine shrini, thank you 13:39:02 i learnt some bootstrap classes for front end styling 13:39:35 AddNew contact screen is going on now 13:40:27 overall display and sorting not started, once I finish this, then will start another 13:42:53 How is your project going? 13:43:54 sorry shrini, I didn't get you 13:44:49 Oh got it 13:44:55 Thanks for the update 13:45:09 How is bootstrap ? 13:45:18 Learning is easy? 13:45:48 If you get time, read yesterdays chat logs 13:45:58 Many people joined from across india 13:46:00 Its cool actually, earlier time, thought how many new stuffs have to learn to do a simple thing 13:46:05 We had a nice discussion 13:47:05 but once understood feeling happy 13:48:38 /Many people joined from across india// Its Nice to hear 13:51:24 Added weekly notes in my blog 13:51:31 Read at https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/p/i/ 13:51:39 ok shrini 13:51:44 If possible, you can also try weekly notes 13:52:04 They can be on personal activities, goals too 13:52:56 sure, but in blog or personal folder-in git 13:53:11 Blog 13:53:28 ok 13:54:10 By collecting these, we can write a yearly review 13:54:29 ok 13:54:39 Start with writing a daily journal in a plaintext file in terminal 13:54:52 That can be fully private 13:55:13 Take 10 min max to jot it 13:56:16 always have to-do list in paper. this one let me start 13:57:21 That's nice 13:57:25 by the way nice idea - future we can check our progress 13:57:37 Then try writing journal on a unruled notebook 13:57:49 If you like paper much 13:58:21 For me digital is fine 13:58:39 Paper diaries end up with wife and kids reading and laughing them 13:58:49 :-) 13:59:09 :) 13:59:22 Hi Varun777 13:59:32 vii_majesty: 13:59:37 hi shrini-irccloud 13:59:37 hi srini 13:59:49 Hope you leart so many new things yesterday 14:00:22 shrini-irccloud: Yes a lot! 14:01:05 Write a blog post on them 14:01:17 With the yesterdays chat logs 14:02:18 If you are working on any project, share the progress here 14:04:23 sugi: can you share here few examples of bootstrap? 14:04:45 Or what you have learnt about it 14:08:42 fury999io: there is a call for talk in ilugc mailing list 14:08:53 Reply there with your talk details 14:09:00 Talk can be on any Foss topic 14:09:08 For 30-40 min 14:09:30 sugi: can you give a talk about any topic this Saturday ? 14:09:38 At ilugc meet? 14:09:51 It is like kanchilug meet only 14:10:00 But in english 14:15:15 Varun777: did you get znc free account? 14:22:43 hi everyone 14:23:31 im using hostel wifi and its too slow today 14:23:41 So had to join with mobile 14:25:29 Hi Shrini 14:26:01 Good morning. I am unable to join and provide any update for the past few days. I will resume the tasks and update you tomorrow. 14:26:38 Also I will let the KanchiLug team know about the willingness to take the session this week. 14:31:00 anish: back to pune? 14:31:12 ok anish 14:31:15 ok sethu_payilagam 14:31:41 i didnt go to chennai for now maybe in a month 14:31:58 My semester is coming up 14:32:21 Im coding leetcode daily since a few days 14:32:49 Is it useful because i feel im in touch with coding in that way 14:32:56 anish: which lang? 14:33:05 python 14:33:18 im trying to switch to java 14:33:21 anish: cool 14:33:28 anish: why? 14:33:28 thanks 14:33:59 i want to know both as they both have the highest opportunities i feel 14:34:28 but i won't completely leave python just knowing both 14:34:58 im sorry i didn't post the blog on arch till now i have a presentation tomorrow 14:35:11 i will work on it after that 14:36:39 anish: >>both have the highest opportunities<< may be true, but people used to say be an expert atleast in one language fully, so maybe invest your time fully on one language 14:36:59 anish: it always helps 14:37:55 then which one should i focus more on 14:38:01 Python or java 14:38:07 python 14:38:28 it will help you to become a developer quickly 14:38:39 Ok shrini right now im better in python than i am in java 14:38:59 once you know that you are developer, after built some 20 projects, 14:39:06 then, you can explore other languages 14:39:28 ok shrini then i will focus more on python for now 14:39:38 do some projects with databases, make a web application with flask 14:39:44 add REST API 14:39:48 sorry shrini, went for dinner 14:39:57 just now saw your messages 14:40:04 then add login, admin panel etc 14:40:10 then explore django framework 14:40:10 ok shrini 14:40:21 these will help to build good projects 14:40:39 learn by doing 14:40:42 i didn't use flask before as ive never done websites before 14:40:54 i will start learning tommorow 14:40:56 if you need any project ideas, ask here 14:41:09 we have many project ideas, waiting for contributors 14:41:17 https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues 14:41:22 ok sugi 14:41:26 thats fine 14:41:36 i will first try to make the login and admin things 14:41:43 Then i will update you 14:41:55 sugi: anish: fury999io: can you all give some talk in ilugc meet? 14:42:09 20 min talk also fine 14:42:13 Right now I am learning Java concepts like Arrays, For loops etc -- but these are all basic which all people know 14:42:35 even you give talk about basics of HTML 14:42:43 dont think that people know 14:42:49 ok shrini 14:42:50 many people dont know many things 14:43:04 tech talks are for sharing what we know 14:43:15 they are not a full courses 14:43:16 im sorry shrini right now for about 2 weeks i have semester exams 14:43:26 ok anish 14:43:29 OK - I could do some basic HTML tags 14:43:30 I will surely contribute after that 14:43:32 you can plan for enxt month 14:43:47 thanks for your ODOC mails 14:43:52 they are interesting 14:43:56 but shrini - still I didn't even give a class seminar 14:44:28 most people have fears of giving public talk 14:44:38 ilugc and kanchilug are for beginners only 14:44:40 yes I have morrrre 14:44:42 you can give talk 14:44:47 even on any small topic 14:44:54 to come from that I am going to try 14:44:57 no shrini im forced to learn as im doing so i have to thank you 14:44:58 by doing new things only we can grow 14:45:49 I want to get rid of this fear - so trying 14:46:18 anish: >>then which one should i focus more on<< I would say learn Assembly & C first to learn any other language easily, but nowadays people shit on C 🤷 14:46:26 so if I could not do well please don't mistake me 14:46:39 ah, dont worry on that sugi 14:46:43 it is not any exam 14:46:49 we just share what we know 14:47:06 just like, how people share about movies, sports etc 14:47:18 we dont need to be an expert to give a talk 14:47:28 just share what ever you are learning 14:47:35 y do ppl not like c i thought it was more closer to the system 14:47:42 keeping a beginner's mindset is always fine 14:48:33 ok shrini 14:48:48 sugi: don't put too much presure on yourself, just take it as it comes 14:48:53 reply to the ilugc mailing list, with the topic, description, duration, about you. 14:49:53 ok Mohan 14:50:38 / 14:50:39 reply to the ilugc mailing list, with the topic, description, duration, about you./ Have you sent email? 14:51:37 dhanasekar sent 14:51:48 check for a mail with the subject - call for speakers 14:52:44 but shrini in some flow I said ok, but really scared 14:53:32 :-) 14:53:40 give it a try 14:53:56 its okey, if the talk is not perfect 14:54:04 we are not born public speakers 14:54:16 there will be only 5-10 participants only 14:54:29 OK shrini - in English right? 14:54:37 yes, ilugc is in english 14:54:45 bad english is fine 14:54:53 we are not english experts 14:55:08 OK shrini 14:55:12 check for the email with the subject 14:55:13 [ILUGC] Call for Speakers - ILUGC Online Meet - November 2024 14:55:24 hope you are already in ilugc mailing list 14:55:30 thanks for your advice 14:55:40 yes I am already in that list 14:55:51 Let me check now 15:03:26 What can I mention in "About Yourself" - Student in Payilagam is fine? 15:03:45 anish: >>y do ppl not like c<< learning C is harder compare to other higher level languages, also writing clean secure code in C is even harder 15:04:14 sugi: you can add few more too 15:04:23 still, it is your wish only 15:04:43 like 1 year experience 15:05:18 its your choice 15:05:24 after long gap trying to resume my career - Is this fine? 15:05:29 fine 15:05:49 ok shrini 15:06:20 Mohan43u: i have heard that because pointers exist in c its less secure is it related 15:06:32 Im not sure if it is true 15:08:58 Varun777: can you give any talk? 15:09:12 vii_majesty: annamalai ? 15:09:22 annamalai: can you give a talk on gdb ? 15:16:08 so what is the use of [ODOC] 15:16:29 Does it activate a separate filtration system in the inbox 15:21:56 We can have filter in mailboxes 15:22:12 With [ODOC] in subject 15:22:54 that is nice i didn't know that before 15:26:03 anish: >>i have heard that because pointers exist in c<< 😀 , everything is a pointer internally, pointers are not the reason for insecure code in C, manual memory management is tough, thats why higher level languages have Garbage Collection (in short GC), java, python, golang, ruby, etc have GC 15:27:03 anish: pointers are just memory address, without memory address, you cannot store anything in the memory 15:27:40 anish: and retrive anything from memory either 15:28:11 Mohan43u: ok so the pointer datatype is the security issue? 15:30:18 Shrini: Mail sent 15:31:42 anish: no, allocating and deallocating memory is the issue, we can allocate memory anywhere we want, but we need to make sure we should de-allocate when we don't use it anymore, also accessing/sharing that allocated memory with more then one place make it much more harder 15:32:21 anish: thats why we have lot of vulnaribilities like stack overflow, double-free, use-after-free etc. 15:32:48 Not received yet sugi 15:33:04 To which email I'd did you send ? 15:34:05 tkdhanasekar⊙gc 15:34:09 mohan43u: so because we have manual access to the pointers,one could exploit it 15:35:19 anish: I think its too early for you to grasp, maybe once you get some exposure to C, you will understand these security issues 15:35:53 ok i will learn about it later 15:36:01 Ah. Send to ilugc⊙fo 15:36:17 Or just to a reply to all for that email 15:36:26 So that it will reach all the subscribers 15:36:35 sugi: 15:36:45 shrini - to All? 15:36:56 Do reply to all 15:37:00 OK 15:42:13 If it is too late for you, we can meet here tomorrow 15:42:58 mohan43u: do you have day light savings in Poland ? 15:44:26 shrini-irccloud: yes, last week sunday it got changed 15:44:58 shrini-irccloud: now its 4.30 hrs difference between India, previously it was 3.30 hrs 15:44:59 can u please check now - mail sent 15:45:31 shrini-irccloud: I have raised a PR in open-tamil python for removal of version checks in a utf8.py if its okay i can change other files 15:49:33 Thanks sugi 15:49:35 Received it 15:49:44 Thanks and wishes 15:49:53 Thanks hariharan 15:49:58 For the PR 15:50:12 Hope muthu annamalai accepts that 15:50:21 Will ping him also 15:50:35 ok shrini 15:50:38 thanks 15:51:02 hariharan: send a mail to muthu at ezhillang⊙gc 15:51:07 About the PR 15:51:11 CC me 15:51:21 shrini: Shall I give a talk about julia programming language? is it very familiar among ILUGC or KanchiLUG? 15:51:40 Tshrinivasan⊙gc 15:51:58 Varun777: Julia is new for all of us 15:52:01 Please give a talk 15:53:15 let me join tomorrow shrini - thanks 15:54:00 when is the ILUGC meeting happening? 15:58:32 shrini: we have to talk in english in ILUGC right? 15:58:41 yes 15:58:51 this saturday 15:58:56 I will try my best shrini, I am not fluent enough 15:59:07 join the mailing list at https://www.freelists.org/list/ilugc 15:59:12 beginner talk is fine 15:59:43 https://www.freelists.org/post/ilugc/Call-for-Speakers-ILUGC-Online-Meet-November-2024 15:59:50 here is the call for speakers 16:02:10 Varun777, you do fine in here ! 16:02:18 also it's a good opportunity to practice 16:02:35 think of it as learning and experience for the future as well ;) 16:05:21 Armageddon: 👍 16:24:53 shrini: I have sent my mail please check 16:30:32 shrini I can try. will confirm by tomorrow. 16:31:37 if i am doing then i will reply to the mailing list 16:36:43 sure annamalai 16:36:46 thanks 16:36:52 Varun777: to whom you send mail? 16:37:05 send to ilugc⊙fo 16:37:15 ok shrini 16:38:15 wb 16:41:09 shrini: I have sent to ilugc⊙fo please check my mail. 16:42:03 Varun777, are you a student ? 16:46:12 Nope 16:46:47 I am a passed out guy . 2024 batch 16:47:09 so you just graduated ? 16:47:14 Yes 16:48:05 * Armageddon nods 16:51:54 hi 16:51:56 Armageddon: nice nick 16:52:02 what is it in reference to 16:52:02 hi vii_majesty 16:52:32 mythology 16:52:52 oh okay 16:53:09 https://url.vivekkadre.com/skge7t 16:53:20 cve in qbittorrent 16:53:25 woop woop 16:53:34 vii_majesty: Armageddon means end of mankind, beginning of chaos 16:53:57 beginning of chaos is a big claim 16:54:04 we are already in chaos 16:54:17 ah yes 16:54:20 i am aware of the meaning 16:54:30 i just asked if is in reference to something 16:54:57 vii_majesty: there is a movie "Armageddon"? great one to watch 16:55:00 if it does, I forgot it after close to two decades 16:55:07 great ? it's a horrible movie 16:55:13 i have not watched the movie 16:55:15 Armageddon: what? nooo 16:55:28 yes ! 16:55:30 but there is a star trek episode with similar title 16:55:36 what kind of science garbage is that ! 16:55:42 it's horrible ! 16:55:47 unrealistic... 16:55:54 very shallow story 16:56:04 Armageddon: I enjoy every Michael Bay movie 16:56:14 it's just loads of explosions :S 16:56:52 * Armageddon shrugs 16:56:54 Armageddon: it is thrilling, space movies it doesn't need to be realistic 16:57:14 it has to be plausible... 16:57:17 at least for me :( 16:57:48 for example, gravity, science on the spot... story... I don't even know what the story is... 16:58:12 Armageddon: gravity sucks as a movie 16:58:45 that's what I said... right ? 16:58:51 but the science is on the spot though 16:59:06 Armageddon: I dont want to pay for a movie theater to sleep for 2 hrs 16:59:16 interstellar, science on the spot, graphics amazing, story got lost ! 16:59:34 Lost in Space the remake !!! now THAT is good 17:00:23 Armageddon: sci-fi movies should not restrict to science, it should be infinitly imaginary and fun to watch 17:01:04 Armageddon: "Armageddon", "Independence Day", "Star Wars" etc all are fun and imaginary 17:02:10 I don't like Star Wars 17:02:15 or Armageddon 17:02:44 I like my sci-fi to be bound in this universe and its limitations 17:03:01 Armageddon: I agree to disagree 17:03:08 I like it to expand my imagination of what's possible within the framework of this univrse 17:03:18 if they want it to be in a different one then it should have humans in it 17:03:28 like Avatar 17:03:51 s/should/shouldn't/ 17:03:58 Armageddon: universe don't come under any framework 17:04:26 of course it does, that's what science aims to understand 17:04:53 and describe in a mathematical way 17:06:56 Armageddon: science don't have answer to everything in the universe, even the Netwons law Gravity was proven wrong by Einstin's relativity. So What is defined in science may not be true at all in different context 17:07:56 Newton wasn't proven wrong by Einstein, we still learn Newton's laws (which today would be called theories) and use it all the time 17:09:05 Einstein bounded Newton's theory within the framework of regular day to day work but he proved that there are realms, the quantum, macro, micro, where this theory does not apply 17:09:11 and he suggested something that does 17:10:12 Armageddon: yes, thats what I said when context changes, the laws science defined for something don't work 17:10:24 and now there are talks about the understanding of Einstein being limited and that the universe doesn't actually curve but that the universe is sort of like water and is just like water is made of h2o, the universe itself might be something similar 17:10:39 but these aren't laws, they are theories, and theories are bounded 17:11:02 it's a way to understand the universe by explaining it in mathematical equations 17:12:27 as our understanding grows by standing on shoulders of giants like Newton, Alkhawarizmi and Einstein, our theories grow 17:12:56 but a theory is something that already explains in maths what we observe and it can model the universe as we see it 17:14:14 Armageddon: exactly, so we can agree that what is definite and proven by math today may not be applicable when our understanding of universe changes. that mean you cannot bring uniderse under a framework right? 17:14:47 well generally, you can't break the laws of science as we know it though, can you ? 17:16:54 we need to find something else to break, Einstin found something else to break Newton's, so what we accept as law means we know the one which worked till now. we didn't find the one which will break what is working now. 17:17:53 sure, go beyond Einstein, that's basically what interstellar tried to do 17:18:12 but don't try to obviously break laws to make it look cool 17:26:55 shrini-irccloud: Mail sent for you and muthu annamalai 17:27:21 Thanks 17:27:47 Armageddon: sci-fi movies has to look cool, otherwise people don't come and watch 17:29:59 I agree, but for example, blowing up an asteroid like that won't split it, even if it does, it doesn't "escape earth's gravity because the producer would like it to 17:30:54 and if you have the ability to get a rocket up there with this maneuverability, why not send a satellite which will use its gravity to slowly veer it off course a bit, it only requires a tiny bit at a long distance away 17:31:17 but as you said, that isn't "cool" 17:31:44 if you want to break the rules, at least get grounded by them 17:31:47 but that's my opinion 17:31:50 * Armageddon shrugs 17:33:42 I didn't mean to kill the mood ! :P sorry ! 17:36:39 Armageddon: you mean gravity of a satellite to veer the comet/astroid? or reverse? I don't think satellite have its own gravity capable of moving an astroid, maybe we put a nuke on the satellite and send it to astroid, so astroid observe this satellite, and then we burst it on the surface of that astroid, but in the movie itself they said bursting nuke on the surface of the astroid will not do 17:36:41 anything 17:37:36 mohan43u, sure it does, every mass has a gravity, even when you jump, the earth moves so slightly towards you as well 17:37:48 but considering the difference in sizes, you move a lot more 17:38:19 Armageddon: afcourse, anything which has mass has gravity, but comparing the astroid's mass, satellite/rocket mass is negligable 17:39:33 yeah but a small angle at a large distance makes it a huge difference 17:40:08 Armageddon: may be 17:40:12 take an example of artillery, a small angle at the start makes a diffence of km's 17:40:46 if you change it's course by only a fraction way before it enters our solar system, the earlier the better, you can make it miss its target 17:43:24 hell make it 10 satellites 17:43:38 changing astroid's trajection is the only way earth can survive, but as of now, humans have nothing realastic which can change an astroid's trjactiory, something as big as moon should be near to astroid to veer off the trajectory 17:44:45 assuming moon's gravity bigger than the astroid's, so moon atleast swing off this astroid and change its path 17:44:59 that's where sci-fi comes in 17:47:48 >can you all give some talk in ilugc meet? 17:47:56 shrini, yep i'm in 17:48:05 >there is a call for talk in ilugc mailing list 17:48:11 okay i am checking 17:48:22 had a busy day today could not check irc and mail 18:04:23 fury999io, o/ 18:10:15 Armageddon, \o 18:26:10 thats fine fury999io 18:26:27 if possible, give a talk in ilugc meet 18:26:44 we can plan for IRC based trainings on any topic, in some other day too 18:32:37 shrini, is it Saturday ? 18:39:59 Yes 18:50:08 shrini, alright but i don't want to reveal my real name right now, can i speak with my alias name fury999io? 18:50:20 what time it it ? 18:50:42 it's not like i wanna stay anonymous but my real name is very unique so having it on mailing list archive is not a good idea 18:50:55 Armageddon, 3 pm IST on saturday 18:51:18 * Armageddon googles time difference 18:51:31 Armageddon, where are you from? 18:51:35 oh wait remembered 18:51:38 you from europe 18:52:12 I'm from kolkata 18:52:27 :p 18:53:27 Armageddon, nah i remember you said some country in europe 18:53:50 I am not from europe 18:53:58 I'm from asia 18:54:02 oh 18:54:10 but I do live in europe 18:54:23 yeah that's what i was saying 18:54:38 i remember you said you originally belong from palestine/israel 18:54:59 nope 18:55:27 are you not the one who was teaching me about the palestine conflict a year ago 18:55:35 it isn't what I said but I'd like to remind you Mr unique name that this channel is logged 18:55:53 yeah right 18:55:54 of course, I teach everyone about the history 18:56:03 but what's the issue with the logs 18:56:09 we are not talking anything illegal 18:56:18 what's your name exactly ? 18:56:23 fury999io 18:56:29 oh is that so ? 18:56:38 can't reveal real name now 18:56:42 why not ? 18:56:46 what's wrong with the logs ? 18:56:57 nothing illegal right ? 18:56:57 :) 18:57:02