shrini: you can get a vps for that much cost right

why use single purpose hosting

Hi shrini

I have gone through some bootstrap stuffs. Got some idea, don't want to copy paste simply, want to understand somewhat. so reading, and doing the code.

I think today half will get finished, let me update in the blog.

Hello all

Good evening/morning

sugi: how are you?

Share your updates

fine shrini, thank you

i learnt some bootstrap classes for front end styling

AddNew contact screen is going on now

overall display and sorting not started, once I finish this, then will start another

How is your project going?

sorry shrini, I didn't get you

Oh got it

Thanks for the update

How is bootstrap ?

Learning is easy?

If you get time, read yesterdays chat logs

Many people joined from across india

Its cool actually, earlier time, thought how many new stuffs have to learn to do a simple thing

We had a nice discussion

but once understood feeling happy

/Many people joined from across india// Its Nice to hear

Added weekly notes in my blog

Read at blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/p/i

ok shrini

If possible, you can also try weekly notes

They can be on personal activities, goals too

sure, but in blog or personal folder-in git

Blog

ok

By collecting these, we can write a yearly review

ok

Start with writing a daily journal in a plaintext file in terminal

That can be fully private

Take 10 min max to jot it

always have to-do list in paper. this one let me start

That's nice

by the way nice idea - future we can check our progress

Then try writing journal on a unruled notebook

If you like paper much

For me digital is fine

Paper diaries end up with wife and kids reading and laughing them

:-)

:)

Hi Varun777

vii_majesty:

hi shrini-irccloud

hi srini

Hope you leart so many new things yesterday

shrini-irccloud: Yes a lot!

Write a blog post on them

With the yesterdays chat logs

If you are working on any project, share the progress here

sugi: can you share here few examples of bootstrap?

Or what you have learnt about it

fury999io: there is a call for talk in ilugc mailing list

Reply there with your talk details

Talk can be on any Foss topic

For 30-40 min

sugi: can you give a talk about any topic this Saturday ?

At ilugc meet?

It is like kanchilug meet only

But in english

Varun777: did you get znc free account?

hi everyone

im using hostel wifi and its too slow today

So had to join with mobile

Hi Shrini

Good morning. I am unable to join and provide any update for the past few days. I will resume the tasks and update you tomorrow.

Also I will let the KanchiLug team know about the willingness to take the session this week.

anish: back to pune?

ok anish

ok sethu_payilagam

i didnt go to chennai for now maybe in a month

My semester is coming up

Im coding leetcode daily since a few days

Is it useful because i feel im in touch with coding in that way

anish: which lang?

python

im trying to switch to java

anish: cool

anish: why?

thanks

i want to know both as they both have the highest opportunities i feel

but i won't completely leave python just knowing both

im sorry i didn't post the blog on arch till now i have a presentation tomorrow

i will work on it after that

anish: >>both have the highest opportunities<< may be true, but people used to say be an expert atleast in one language fully, so maybe invest your time fully on one language

anish: it always helps

then which one should i focus more on

Python or java

python

it will help you to become a developer quickly

Ok shrini right now im better in python than i am in java

once you know that you are developer, after built some 20 projects,

then, you can explore other languages

ok shrini then i will focus more on python for now

do some projects with databases, make a web application with flask

add REST API

sorry shrini, went for dinner

just now saw your messages

then add login, admin panel etc

then explore django framework

ok shrini

these will help to build good projects

learn by doing

i didn't use flask before as ive never done websites before

i will start learning tommorow

if you need any project ideas, ask here

we have many project ideas, waiting for contributors

ok sugi

thats fine

i will first try to make the login and admin things

Then i will update you

sugi: anish: fury999io: can you all give some talk in ilugc meet?

20 min talk also fine

Right now I am learning Java concepts like Arrays, For loops etc -- but these are all basic which all people know

even you give talk about basics of HTML

dont think that people know

ok shrini

many people dont know many things

tech talks are for sharing what we know

they are not a full courses

im sorry shrini right now for about 2 weeks i have semester exams

ok anish

OK - I could do some basic HTML tags

I will surely contribute after that

you can plan for enxt month

thanks for your ODOC mails

they are interesting

but shrini - still I didn't even give a class seminar

most people have fears of giving public talk

ilugc and kanchilug are for beginners only

yes I have morrrre

you can give talk

even on any small topic

to come from that I am going to try

no shrini im forced to learn as im doing so i have to thank you

by doing new things only we can grow

I want to get rid of this fear - so trying

anish: >>then which one should i focus more on<< I would say learn Assembly & C first to learn any other language easily, but nowadays people shit on C 🤷

so if I could not do well please don't mistake me

ah, dont worry on that sugi

it is not any exam

we just share what we know

just like, how people share about movies, sports etc

we dont need to be an expert to give a talk

just share what ever you are learning

y do ppl not like c i thought it was more closer to the system

keeping a beginner's mindset is always fine

ok shrini

sugi: don't put too much presure on yourself, just take it as it comes

reply to the ilugc mailing list, with the topic, description, duration, about you.

ok Mohan

/

reply to the ilugc mailing list, with the topic, description, duration, about you./ Have you sent email?

dhanasekar sent

check for a mail with the subject - call for speakers

but shrini in some flow I said ok, but really scared

:-)

give it a try

its okey, if the talk is not perfect

we are not born public speakers

there will be only 5-10 participants only

OK shrini - in English right?

yes, ilugc is in english

bad english is fine

we are not english experts

OK shrini

check for the email with the subject

[ILUGC] Call for Speakers - ILUGC Online Meet - November 2024

hope you are already in ilugc mailing list

thanks for your advice

yes I am already in that list

Let me check now

What can I mention in "About Yourself" - Student in Payilagam is fine?

anish: >>y do ppl not like c<< learning C is harder compare to other higher level languages, also writing clean secure code in C is even harder

sugi: you can add few more too

still, it is your wish only

like 1 year experience

its your choice

after long gap trying to resume my career - Is this fine?

fine

ok shrini

Mohan43u: i have heard that because pointers exist in c its less secure is it related

Im not sure if it is true

Varun777: can you give any talk?

vii_majesty: annamalai ?

annamalai: can you give a talk on gdb ?

so what is the use of [ODOC]

Does it activate a separate filtration system in the inbox

We can have filter in mailboxes

With [ODOC] in subject

that is nice i didn't know that before

anish: >>i have heard that because pointers exist in c<< 😀 , everything is a pointer internally, pointers are not the reason for insecure code in C, manual memory management is tough, thats why higher level languages have Garbage Collection (in short GC), java, python, golang, ruby, etc have GC

anish: pointers are just memory address, without memory address, you cannot store anything in the memory

anish: and retrive anything from memory either

Mohan43u: ok so the pointer datatype is the security issue?

Shrini: Mail sent

anish: no, allocating and deallocating memory is the issue, we can allocate memory anywhere we want, but we need to make sure we should de-allocate when we don't use it anymore, also accessing/sharing that allocated memory with more then one place make it much more harder

anish: thats why we have lot of vulnaribilities like stack overflow, double-free, use-after-free etc.

Not received yet sugi

To which email I'd did you send ?

tkdhanasekar⊙gc

mohan43u: so because we have manual access to the pointers,one could exploit it

anish: I think its too early for you to grasp, maybe once you get some exposure to C, you will understand these security issues

ok i will learn about it later

Ah. Send to ilugc⊙fo

Or just to a reply to all for that email

So that it will reach all the subscribers

sugi:

shrini - to All?

Do reply to all

OK

If it is too late for you, we can meet here tomorrow

mohan43u: do you have day light savings in Poland ?

shrini-irccloud: yes, last week sunday it got changed

shrini-irccloud: now its 4.30 hrs difference between India, previously it was 3.30 hrs

can u please check now - mail sent

shrini-irccloud: I have raised a PR in open-tamil python for removal of version checks in a utf8.py if its okay i can change other files

Thanks sugi

Received it

Thanks and wishes

Thanks hariharan

For the PR

Hope muthu annamalai accepts that

Will ping him also

ok shrini

thanks

hariharan: send a mail to muthu at ezhillang⊙gc

About the PR

CC me

shrini: Shall I give a talk about julia programming language? is it very familiar among ILUGC or KanchiLUG?

Tshrinivasan⊙gc

Varun777: Julia is new for all of us

Please give a talk

let me join tomorrow shrini - thanks

when is the ILUGC meeting happening?

shrini: we have to talk in english in ILUGC right?

yes

this saturday

I will try my best shrini, I am not fluent enough

join the mailing list at freelists.org/list/ilugc

beginner talk is fine

here is the call for speakers

Varun777, you do fine in here !

also it's a good opportunity to practice

think of it as learning and experience for the future as well ;)

Armageddon: 👍

shrini: I have sent my mail please check

shrini I can try. will confirm by tomorrow.

if i am doing then i will reply to the mailing list

sure annamalai

thanks

Varun777: to whom you send mail?

send to ilugc⊙fo

ok shrini

wb

shrini: I have sent to ilugc⊙fo please check my mail.

Varun777, are you a student ?

Nope

I am a passed out guy . 2024 batch

so you just graduated ?

Yes

hi

Armageddon: nice nick

what is it in reference to

hi vii_majesty

mythology

oh okay

cve in qbittorrent

woop woop

vii_majesty: Armageddon means end of mankind, beginning of chaos

beginning of chaos is a big claim

we are already in chaos

ah yes

i am aware of the meaning

i just asked if is in reference to something

vii_majesty: there is a movie "Armageddon"? great one to watch

if it does, I forgot it after close to two decades

great ? it's a horrible movie

i have not watched the movie

Armageddon: what? nooo

yes !

but there is a star trek episode with similar title

what kind of science garbage is that !

it's horrible !

unrealistic...

very shallow story

Armageddon: I enjoy every Michael Bay movie

it's just loads of explosions :S

Armageddon: it is thrilling, space movies it doesn't need to be realistic

it has to be plausible...

at least for me :(

for example, gravity, science on the spot... story... I don't even know what the story is...

Armageddon: gravity sucks as a movie

that's what I said... right ?

but the science is on the spot though

Armageddon: I dont want to pay for a movie theater to sleep for 2 hrs

interstellar, science on the spot, graphics amazing, story got lost !

Lost in Space the remake !!! now THAT is good

Armageddon: sci-fi movies should not restrict to science, it should be infinitly imaginary and fun to watch

Armageddon: "Armageddon", "Independence Day", "Star Wars" etc all are fun and imaginary

I don't like Star Wars

or Armageddon

I like my sci-fi to be bound in this universe and its limitations

Armageddon: I agree to disagree

I like it to expand my imagination of what's possible within the framework of this univrse

if they want it to be in a different one then it should have humans in it

like Avatar

s/should/shouldn't/

Armageddon: universe don't come under any framework

of course it does, that's what science aims to understand

and describe in a mathematical way

Armageddon: science don't have answer to everything in the universe, even the Netwons law Gravity was proven wrong by Einstin's relativity. So What is defined in science may not be true at all in different context

Newton wasn't proven wrong by Einstein, we still learn Newton's laws (which today would be called theories) and use it all the time

Einstein bounded Newton's theory within the framework of regular day to day work but he proved that there are realms, the quantum, macro, micro, where this theory does not apply

and he suggested something that does

Armageddon: yes, thats what I said when context changes, the laws science defined for something don't work

and now there are talks about the understanding of Einstein being limited and that the universe doesn't actually curve but that the universe is sort of like water and is just like water is made of h2o, the universe itself might be something similar

but these aren't laws, they are theories, and theories are bounded

it's a way to understand the universe by explaining it in mathematical equations

as our understanding grows by standing on shoulders of giants like Newton, Alkhawarizmi and Einstein, our theories grow

but a theory is something that already explains in maths what we observe and it can model the universe as we see it

Armageddon: exactly, so we can agree that what is definite and proven by math today may not be applicable when our understanding of universe changes. that mean you cannot bring uniderse under a framework right?

well generally, you can't break the laws of science as we know it though, can you ?

we need to find something else to break, Einstin found something else to break Newton's, so what we accept as law means we know the one which worked till now. we didn't find the one which will break what is working now.

sure, go beyond Einstein, that's basically what interstellar tried to do

but don't try to obviously break laws to make it look cool

shrini-irccloud: Mail sent for you and muthu annamalai

Thanks

Armageddon: sci-fi movies has to look cool, otherwise people don't come and watch

I agree, but for example, blowing up an asteroid like that won't split it, even if it does, it doesn't "escape earth's gravity because the producer would like it to

and if you have the ability to get a rocket up there with this maneuverability, why not send a satellite which will use its gravity to slowly veer it off course a bit, it only requires a tiny bit at a long distance away

but as you said, that isn't "cool"

if you want to break the rules, at least get grounded by them

but that's my opinion

I didn't mean to kill the mood ! :P sorry !

Armageddon: you mean gravity of a satellite to veer the comet/astroid? or reverse? I don't think satellite have its own gravity capable of moving an astroid, maybe we put a nuke on the satellite and send it to astroid, so astroid observe this satellite, and then we burst it on the surface of that astroid, but in the movie itself they said bursting nuke on the surface of the astroid will not do

anything

mohan43u, sure it does, every mass has a gravity, even when you jump, the earth moves so slightly towards you as well

but considering the difference in sizes, you move a lot more

Armageddon: afcourse, anything which has mass has gravity, but comparing the astroid's mass, satellite/rocket mass is negligable

yeah but a small angle at a large distance makes it a huge difference

Armageddon: may be

take an example of artillery, a small angle at the start makes a diffence of km's

if you change it's course by only a fraction way before it enters our solar system, the earlier the better, you can make it miss its target

hell make it 10 satellites

changing astroid's trajection is the only way earth can survive, but as of now, humans have nothing realastic which can change an astroid's trjactiory, something as big as moon should be near to astroid to veer off the trajectory

assuming moon's gravity bigger than the astroid's, so moon atleast swing off this astroid and change its path

that's where sci-fi comes in

>can you all give some talk in ilugc meet?

shrini, yep i'm in

>there is a call for talk in ilugc mailing list

okay i am checking

had a busy day today could not check irc and mail

fury999io, o/

Armageddon, \o

thats fine fury999io

if possible, give a talk in ilugc meet

we can plan for IRC based trainings on any topic, in some other day too

shrini, is it Saturday ?

Yes

shrini, alright but i don't want to reveal my real name right now, can i speak with my alias name fury999io?

what time it it ?

it's not like i wanna stay anonymous but my real name is very unique so having it on mailing list archive is not a good idea

Armageddon, 3 pm IST on saturday

Armageddon, where are you from?

oh wait remembered

you from europe

I'm from kolkata

:p

Armageddon, nah i remember you said some country in europe

I am not from europe

I'm from asia

oh

but I do live in europe

yeah that's what i was saying

i remember you said you originally belong from palestine/israel

nope

are you not the one who was teaching me about the palestine conflict a year ago

it isn't what I said but I'd like to remind you Mr unique name that this channel is logged

yeah right

of course, I teach everyone about the history

but what's the issue with the logs

we are not talking anything illegal

what's your name exactly ?

fury999io

oh is that so ?

can't reveal real name now

why not ?

what's wrong with the logs ?

nothing illegal right ?

:)

makes sense now

it's a good lesson between security, legality and privacy

doesn't need to be illegal for it to be private

fury999io: logs have consequences mate, thats why people cannot talk what they think in social media

fury999io: internet remembers

mohan43u, whatcha think of Kotlin ?

Armageddon: kotlin? the programming language?

Armageddon: no experience on that, but know that is is heavily used in Android App development

Armageddon: another jvm based one, hopefully better than plain java

mohan43u, yeah :(

Armageddon: not much outside Android eco

Armageddon: you are developing android app?

^s/you are/are you/g

no, not really

fury999io: you can give talks anywhere with your nickname

we have many authors writing super books with nickname itself

can mohan43u give a talk about Poland !

shrini: yeah, with Tamil poet nicknames

:-)

is this the channel of poets I keep hearing about ?

Armageddon: no, it is #ilugc

shrini, alright

ilugc is the channel of poets

Armageddon: no, this is the channel ghosts of old tamil poets visit, me and shrini talk about their visit in #ilugc

ah

recently, we got few mails from a mail id with a name of old tamil poet, in ilugc mailing list

thats nickname only

but its fun to see the nicknames

is shrini one of them ?

no no

shrini is my real name, in short

you're not a poet ?

no

I read them, but not written anything

hmm

Armageddon: he is the founder of freetamilebooks.com which have lot of tamil books published with Creative Commons license

nice !

I understand the title

Armageddon: In a sense, he is a writer-maker

he's just an awesome dude all around

:-)

shrini, \o/

\o/

government of india has sent notice to wikimedia foundation for it's bias

installing codellama to run it in emacs

code completion with an AI running on my machine !

Armageddon: wow

is codellamma open source thing?

llama is afaik