13:33:34 <shrini`>  hello anish 
13:33:39 <shrini`> hello sethu_payilagam 
13:34:09 <anish> hi this is my first day here
13:35:03 <shrini`> welcome
13:35:15 <shrini`> give your introduction
13:35:35 <shrini`> hello sugi 
13:35:41 <sugi> hi shrini
13:35:45 <sethu_payilagam> Hi Shrini. Good morning
13:35:49 <anish> i'm a 3rd year student at iiitp computer sciencee engineering
13:37:08 <shrini`> anish: good
13:37:21 <shrini`> in which city the college is?
13:37:31 <shrini`> do yoiu have any blog?
13:37:33 <anish> pune
13:37:41 <shrini`> og nice
13:37:46 <shrini`> oh nice
13:37:59 <anish> no i'm not very good at writing so i don't have blogs
13:38:18 <shrini`> then you are good at what ?
13:38:25 <shrini`> asking just to know more about you
13:38:47 <anish> i'm interested in coding and programming
13:38:57 <shrini`> sugi: can you share here, why we need a blog?
13:39:02 <shrini`> good anish 
13:39:13 <anish> i wouuld like to contribute to open source projects
13:39:24 <shrini`> have you ever done any coding projects?
13:39:28 <shrini`> nice
13:39:28 <sugi> well, to show our ideas and progress
13:39:49 <sugi> more over its the evidence that we are working on something
13:40:18 <anish> just one till now i created one for my friend to automate billing entries for his college
13:40:30 <anish> i used python and mysql
13:40:42 <shrini`> thanks sugi 
13:40:44 <shrini`> nice
13:41:06 <shrini`> is it a commerical project or free one?
13:41:11 <anish> free
13:41:31 <anish> it was for my friend as he is the treasurer of his college
13:42:07 <shrini`> ok
13:42:25 <shrini`> if possible, check to publish the code in gitlab or github repository
13:43:01 <anish> i just started to learn github i will soon do it
13:43:10 <shrini`> create a blog in https://dev.to 
13:43:22 <anish> ok
13:43:27 <shrini`> and write about your daily activities, learning notes etc
13:43:33 <shrini`> https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz
13:43:43 <shrini`> you can read all our blogs here
13:43:58 <shrini`> once you published your first blog, share url here
13:44:00 <anish> sure i will do shrini
13:44:02 <shrini`> will add it there
13:44:08 <anish> ok shrini
13:44:27 <shrini`> here, we meet daily 7-8 and run our standup meeting
13:44:42 <shrini`> to share the daily progress on the projects we do
13:44:52 <shrini`> and get inputs 
13:45:10 <anish> ok shrini i will do the same
13:45:11 <shrini`> after 8, there may be general tech discussions
13:45:29 <shrini`> you can stay here as long as you can
13:45:45 <shrini`> after 8, just skim once in a while
13:46:01 <shrini`> text chat is slow progress
13:46:38 <anish> thank you for telling me i will stay longer
13:46:59 <shrini`> please go and create your blog at dev.to now
13:47:33 <sugi> shrini i designed one page only -just css html itself took some time
13:47:34 <shrini`> and write your first post
13:47:56 <anish> on what topic should i write
13:48:20 <shrini`> just write about IRC and what do you know about iot
13:48:35 <shrini`> ot about python or about the billing project you have done
13:48:47 <shrini`> s/ot/or
13:48:56 <shrini`> sugi: thats fine
13:49:05 <shrini`> checking your blog posts
13:49:08 <shrini`> nice works
13:49:13 <anish> ok i will start now
13:49:39 <sugi> today i am planning to add some functionalities
13:49:50 <shrini`> ok
13:50:05 <shrini`> HTML/CSS are time taking things
13:50:17 <shrini`> explore bootstrap css framework
13:50:18 <sugi> now side by side exploring about localStorage and doing
13:50:19 <shrini`> and use it
13:50:34 <shrini`> it will magically give a professional look for our projects
13:50:46 <sugi> still now in text editor only typed all
13:51:14 <shrini`> and for the student marklist project done in java,
13:51:23 <shrini`> store the details in a text file
13:51:36 <shrini`> extend the same as to read the data from csv file
13:51:58 <shrini`> calculate the total, results and write all the data to another csv file
13:52:05 <sugi> oh ok
13:52:26 <shrini`> expore about JDBC, and then read and write to any database
13:52:32 <sugi> thats a homework program
13:52:57 <sugi> but could expand as you say
13:53:23 <shrini`> anya programming task is good
13:53:37 <shrini`> they are for learning
13:54:10 <shrini`> the more we expand a simple idea, with more features, we can learn how big software built with one small idea
13:54:44 <sugi> /expore about JDBC, and then read and write to any database// Sure will do shrini
13:55:23 <sugi> what u said is true. let me try my level best. and thanks for the valuable information
13:57:25 <sugi> sethu: yesterday talk was very good sethu.
13:57:33 <shrini`> for any data related projects, first read from input, show the output in screen
13:57:44 <shrini`> then read from csv and write to csv
13:57:50 <shrini`> them read and write to database
13:57:59 <shrini`> then, add a web interface
13:58:28 <sugi> ok shrini
13:59:36 <shrini`> then add unit test cases
13:59:41 <shrini`> then add REST API
14:00:03 <shrini`> then add automated testing using selenium
14:00:16 <shrini`> then write Dockerfile to convert this as a container
14:00:33 <shrini`> this is how a software is developed
14:01:11 <shrini`> so, the more you can go for the marklist or address book or billing or any other projects, the more things we can learn
14:01:26 <shrini`> once you explore all these, the same is for all the 1000 future projects
14:01:49 <sugi> very useful information shrini. thank you so much
14:02:17 <sugi> will follow that, let me save all these in a file also in my pc
14:03:05 <shrini`> many things told here may be new
14:03:15 <sugi> yes
14:03:18 <shrini`> we can learn one thing at a time as we do more projects
14:03:24 <shrini`> noting to scare 
14:03:42 <sugi> yes on the whole when i see a bit scary
14:04:12 <sethu_payilagam> sugi: Thank you so much! It is indeed my first ever presentation. Even in office I am poor at presenting or preparing a presentation. 
14:04:23 <sethu_payilagam> Thanks to Shrini and Muthu sir :)
14:05:11 <sugi> actually it was very nice, did not feel like first presentation.
14:05:22 <sethu_payilagam> Shrini, regarding today's update. I am yet to complete the billing application by connecting to the database. I will try to complete it today 
14:05:40 <shrini`> dont think that we have to do everything, mentioned above
14:05:52 <shrini`> we can add one thing at a time
14:06:08 <shrini`> doing these will give tons of learnings
14:06:14 <shrini`> so learn slow and steady
14:06:50 <sugi> sure shrini
14:07:08 <sugi> thanks for the encouragement seriously
14:07:25 <sugi> now let me explore localstorage
14:07:46 <shrini`> these all are like different ingridients in kitchen
14:08:05 <shrini`> with some 10-15 items, we are making all our daily food
14:08:17 <sugi> yes
14:08:27 <shrini`> we are learning cooking slow
14:08:54 <shrini`> one dish at a time, at the same time, learning about new ingredient/coooking process etc
14:09:12 <shrini`> once we are good with one dish, we goto next
14:09:19 <shrini`> coding is the same
14:09:23 <sugi> but to achive one task at least 3 and more than that we are learning.  anything like one language or stuff which handling all?
14:09:56 <shrini`> yes
14:10:15 <shrini`> even in cooking, hot water is the only thing that we can make it one sigle item
14:10:24 <sugi> :)
14:10:28 <sethu_payilagam> :)
14:12:27 <shrini`> even to make tea or coffee, we have multiple ingrediants
14:12:45 <shrini`> some people use instance coffee powder
14:13:06 <shrini`> some of us, go to long process on making filter coffee and grinding things for masala tea
14:13:14 <shrini`> same thing in coding too
14:13:22 <sugi> yes true
14:13:39 <shrini`> on learning cooking, we will be wondering why so many process, why so many ingridiants
14:14:05 <shrini`> but we will realise that there are no 1000 ingredienats and 1000 process
14:14:20 <shrini`> they are all into few bunch of stuff
14:14:23 <shrini`> same into coding
14:14:32 <shrini`> so, just learn the basics and do the coding daily
14:14:48 <shrini`> we will learn many things quickly
14:15:03 <sugi> ok shrini
14:15:15 <sugi> will try my best
14:15:50 <shrini`> sethu_payilagam: thanks for the nice talk
14:16:06 <shrini`> happy to see that you got a linux desktop to show
14:16:37 <shrini`> https://kaniyam.com/introduction-to-database-posgresql-tamil/
14:16:43 <shrini`> here is the post for it
14:16:58 <shrini`> you can make it a a series of talk
14:17:23 <shrini`> write in your blog about the talk
14:17:31 <shrini`> and the experience you got
14:17:38 <shrini`> with the video/slide linj
14:17:41 <shrini`> link
14:18:24 <shrini`> anish: what OS do you use?
14:18:57 <anish> i use a dual boot of windows and linux
14:19:19 <anish> right now i'm using the linux terminal to use weechat
14:20:47 <shrini`> wonderful
14:21:05 <shrini`> from which group, you got to know about this IRC meeting?
14:21:07 <anish> thank you
14:21:33 <anish> i have some friends in who study in paylagam
14:21:47 <shrini`> interesting
14:22:02 <shrini`> do you know tamil ?
14:22:26 <anish> i'm from chennai only but got my college placed in pune
14:23:54 <shrini`> ok
14:24:04 <shrini`> good to know
14:24:35 <shrini`> that even in college days, you started to use linux, terminal, weechat and IRC
14:24:41 <shrini`> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1782:_Team_Chat
14:24:51 <shrini`> read this on free time
14:25:14 <shrini`> so anish , what are you thinking on your next project?
14:25:24 <shrini`> https://kaniyam.com/events/
14:25:38 <shrini`> subscribe to the calendar here from computer
14:25:47 <shrini`> and attend the possible online events
14:25:52 <anish> i'm not sure i'm a beginner what project would you recommend
14:25:57 <shrini`> do you have any linux users group in pune?
14:26:37 <anish> no i started using linux recetly i'm not aware of any groups
14:27:04 <anish> but i like it a lot that it has a terminal based interface
14:28:02 <shrini`> ok
14:28:09 <anish> i will subscribe to the calendar and surely will read the articles
14:28:15 <shrini`> check in meetup.com and any related tech groups
14:28:26 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues/206
14:28:29 <shrini`> check this
14:28:32 <shrini`> requirement
14:28:35 <anish> ok shrini
14:28:42 <shrini`> it is just building a static website
14:28:55 <shrini`> with json file and few html fixes
14:29:15 <shrini`> try this, if you like to do any web static website project
14:29:26 <shrini`> checking on a project idea to do in python
14:30:05 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues/201
14:30:08 <shrini`> check this
14:30:26 <shrini`> this is to add more tamil names to the faker library
14:32:00 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues/166
14:32:39 <shrini`> this is to collect important people birthday and announce them in tweet, toot and other possible social media, automatically
14:32:54 <anish_> i'm sorry my network got disconnected i had to log out and join again
14:32:58 <sethu_payilagam> Sorry Shrini. I had to switch between office machine and this. 
14:33:01 <shrini`> thats fine
14:33:16 <sethu_payilagam> Sure, i will follow your input and will share whatever i am learning as part of this effort
14:33:32 <sethu_payilagam> Thanks again for everything!
14:34:28 <shrini`> no worries anish_ anish
14:34:38 <shrini`> we have all our chats here logged at https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/kaniyam
14:34:46 <shrini`> you can read there anytime
14:34:47 <anish_> ok shrini
14:35:17 <anish_> i'm new to html so i will explore and then do the projects
14:37:04 <shrini`> anish_: that website project is just to create a json file
14:37:22 <shrini`> https://kalaignar.freetamilebooks.com/
14:37:39 <anish_> sure will do that
14:37:51 <shrini`> the above websites comes by one single json file
14:37:51 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/kalaignar-books/blob/main/issues.json
14:38:08 <shrini`> we need to create similar websites for many authors
14:38:36 <shrini`> take your time and explore if you like websites tuff
14:38:39 <shrini`> stuff
14:38:58 <anish_> sure will dho that shrini
14:39:01 <shrini`> if you want to go more with python for now, explore ther other two project idea links provided
14:39:21 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues/166
14:39:22 <shrini`> and
14:39:40 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues/201
14:39:52 <shrini`> these are not only for anish
14:40:01 <shrini`> anyone can pick anything and work on
14:40:04 <anish_> i will try both
14:40:40 <sugi> so once if i finish address book, can i choose anything from this also?
14:41:10 <shrini`> yes
14:41:26 <shrini`> sethu_payilagam: what is your next project?
14:41:40 <shrini`> new project or extending your current one?
14:42:00 <shrini`> if you are working on any of the projectidea here
14:42:09 <shrini`> https://github.com/KaniyamFoundation/ProjectIdeas/issues
14:42:17 <shrini`> leave there a comment that you are working on
14:42:22 <shrini`> so that we can know
14:42:41 <shrini`> and give an update there on once in week atleast
14:42:52 <shrini`> so that all can know the progress
14:43:11 <shrini`> we can see many ideas are hanging in air
14:43:15 <shrini`> for someone to pickup
14:44:43 <shrini`> I am done for today
14:44:50 <shrini`> ask any questions
14:45:03 <shrini`> I feel that I am only writing here more
14:45:10 <shrini`> expecting you all to write too
14:45:27 <shrini`> so that it will be more interactive
14:46:59 <shrini`> if possible, bring your friends here
14:47:09 <shrini`> it is a open to all channel
14:47:23 <sugi> shrini, i am making name as key and value as some jason data like email, contact number and city
14:47:25 <shrini`> you can bring your collegues, friends, relatives, anyone
14:47:48 <anish_> sure shrini
14:47:53 <shrini`> sugi: give a sample
14:48:30 <shrini`> anish_: https://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2020/04/14/why-i-like-irc-internet-relay-chat-even-in-2020/
14:48:33 <sugi> localStorage.setItem("name", string)
14:48:35 <shrini`> read my blog post on IRC
14:49:22 <sugi> here string means JASON.string(array) array is having 3 values - email, city, contact number
14:49:39 <anish_> ok shrini
14:50:16 <sugi> can i make in this way?
14:50:34 <shrini`> give a sample entry
14:50:43 <sugi> if its like that i cannot duplicate names as it is the key
14:52:33 <sugi> just idea only not coded exactly.  localStorage.setItem("shrini","9749379996, kanchipuram, shrini⊙kc")
14:52:51 <shrini`> sugi: good. add a column "id"
14:53:00 <shrini`> increment it for each entry
14:53:14 <shrini`> so that you can have multiple people with same name
14:53:37 <sugi> ok shrini 
14:54:47 <shrini`> hariharan: hi
14:54:50 <sethu_payilagam> new project or extending your current one? - I will complete the ongoing one and will take up new one Shrini
14:55:00 <shrini`> on sethu_payilagam 
14:55:28 <shrini`> in IRC, you can use tab completion to write nick names
14:55:38 <shrini`> just type se and TAB, it will fill as sethu_payilagam 
14:56:40 <sethu_payilagam> ok ok. I was looking for that option. :)
14:57:09 <sethu_payilagam> and also i miss the reply option like in telegram and watsapp. But not a big deal
14:57:31 <shrini`> :-)
14:57:36 <shrini`> thats fine
14:58:00 <shrini`> we can understand the answers, even if you dont quote
14:58:09 <sethu_payilagam> ok Shrini
15:00:46 <shrini`> try to learn emacs
15:01:11 <shrini`> it will help to build your own knowledgebase, a second brain, with all plain text
15:01:16 <shrini`> using org-mode
15:01:52 <shrini`> with all information in plain text, you can keep the data, in private git
15:01:58 <shrini`> and use it your lifetime
15:02:12 <shrini`> we can discuss about that in someother day
15:05:01 <mohan43u> hariharan: you fixed your disk issues?
15:07:45 <anish_> hi shrini i finished my blog
15:08:40 <anish_> i did it in my mobile as i installed the linux distro without a desktop environment and only the terminal interface to get used to the commands
15:10:02 <mohan43u> anish_: you installed linux distro in your mobile without desktop environment? termux?
15:10:06 <anish_> how can i exchange information from my mobile and my linux device
15:10:18 <anish_> no i installed linux on my laptop
15:10:33 <mohan43u> anish_: ooh, ok, misunderstood
15:10:40 <mohan43u> anish_: which distro?
15:10:43 <anish_> arch linux
15:10:56 <mohan43u> anish_: cool
15:11:29 <anish_> to share the link i'm not sure how to get it to my linux device
15:12:07 <shrini`> just see mobile and type the url here
15:12:14 <anish_> ok shrini
15:12:24 <shrini`> how long you are using linux os ?
15:12:38 <anish_> for about 2 weeks
15:13:42 <anish_> for over 2 months i was using the windows subsystem for linux so i wanted to try it for real
15:14:10 <shrini`> ok
15:14:19 <shrini`> then setup GUI also
15:14:33 <shrini`> so that you can use it for all your work/play/entertainment
15:14:41 <shrini`> how much RAM do you have?
15:14:50 <anish_> https://dev.to/anish_kumar_eea79f528747d/internet-relay-chatirc-2n34
15:14:58 <anish_> 8 gb ram
15:15:10 <shrini`> ok
15:15:20 <shrini`> then go with connamon or gnome
15:16:09 <shrini`> good start on the writing
15:16:13 <anish_> ok shrini i will check them and install them
15:16:25 <mohan43u> shrini`: bro, he is in arch, what is the point of using cinnamon/gnome when he is able to install arch, he should install sway
15:16:32 <anish_> thank you shrini
15:17:24 <anish_> thank you ffor making me realize i can write
15:17:33 <shrini`> added your blog here - https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/
15:17:38 <shrini`> keep writing regularly
15:17:44 <shrini`> on your learnings with arch
15:17:56 <shrini`> arch linux will give tons of learnings
15:18:00 <shrini`> document them all here
15:18:29 <anish_> ok shrini i will do it
15:18:42 <anish_> on what i learnt from arch linux
15:18:45 <shrini`> if you never used GUI in linux, then start with cinnamon or xfce or gnome
15:19:08 <shrini`> then explore tiling window managers like sway or i3
15:19:13 <shrini`> as mohan43u mentioned
15:19:14 <anish_> but i want to keep the gui minimal as i want to use the terminal more
15:19:20 <shrini`> ok
15:19:35 <shrini`> then, go for sway itself
15:19:42 <anish_> ok shrini
15:19:55 <shrini`> it will help to open firefox and do some browsing etc
15:20:06 <shrini`> but it is mostly terminal based
15:20:19 <anish_> ok shrini i will install it today
15:21:30 <mohan43u> anish_: which method you used to install arch? archinstall?
15:21:40 <anish_> yes archinstall
15:21:53 <mohan43u> anish_: nooooooooooo....
15:22:02 <mohan43u> anish_: thats not how you install arch!!!!!
15:22:28 <anish_> its my first time i did'nt know
15:22:38 <anish_> how do you do it
15:23:03 <mohan43u> anish_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
15:23:17 <mohan43u> anish_: this is how people who want to use arch should install
15:23:37 <mohan43u> anish_: archinstall is for people who already learnt arch and don't want to go through it again and again
15:23:44 <anish_> i will check it
15:24:25 <mohan43u> anish_: when you boot iso, contains the guide as a text file in your home directory, use it if you don't have a internet during installation
15:24:28 <anish_> i don't have much on my system i don't mind uninstalling and installing arch again
15:24:51 <anish_> i will try it
15:25:19 <mohan43u> anish_: learn each and every step of what you do, because that is what learning during installation means.
15:25:47 <anish_> ok @mohan43u
15:26:11 <anish_> thanks for the info
15:27:14 <anish_> it was my first time in a group like this and i like the support from the people and the interaction here
15:27:53 <anish_> thank you so much shrini and mohan43u
15:28:16 <anish_> i will join again tommorow and share my progress
15:28:17 <mohan43u> anish_: old school irc culture mate, tradition 😀
15:28:46 <anish_> i don't get it
15:29:31 <shrini`> in IRC, we help each other
15:29:32 <mohan43u> anish_: you said you get support in this channel right? that is how it is from the 80s
15:29:33 <anish_> i think the last character is an emoji i don't get the full context
15:29:52 <shrini`> it was a smiley :-)
15:30:11 <anish_> oh i get it thats nice
15:30:43 <shrini`> on the other side, if you like to stay in terminal linux for few more days, it s good
15:30:56 <shrini`> learn more CLI tools
15:31:07 <shrini`> write program
15:31:07 <anish_> ok shrini
15:31:10 <shrini`> learn git
15:31:13 <shrini`> learn emacs
15:31:37 <shrini`> the CLI only linux will give more distraction free learning environment
15:31:53 <anish_> i'm learning to use bash script to make some small commands that make my usage easier
15:32:01 <mohan43u> learn `ed` <The Text Editor of Unix> 😀
15:32:03 <shrini`> good
15:32:18 <anish_> i'm using nano right now
15:32:26 <anish_> i will learn about ed also
15:34:06 <shrini`> ed , then emacs
15:34:30 <anish_> ok shrini
15:34:33 <mohan43u> anish_: nano -> good, vi -> better, emacs -> best, ed -> insane
15:35:18 <anish_> so i have to try vi first so i don't miss out on much?
15:35:25 <shrini`> you can get all weechat logs here ~/.local/share/weechat/
15:35:34 <mohan43u> anish_: no, ed first, then vi, then emacs
15:35:41 <anish_> ok shrini i will copy then link
15:35:58 <shrini`> just get to know on what ed and vi are
15:36:15 <anish_> ok shrini
15:36:16 <shrini`> then you can make emacs as your living place
15:36:19 <shrini`> :-)
15:36:34 <anish_> that is cool
15:36:47 <anish_> so ed is more minimal
15:36:58 <mohan43u> shrini`: you forgot neovim brother? how dare you? 😁
15:37:30 <shrini`> orgmode in emacs is for lifetime
15:37:44 <shrini`> all others are editors
15:38:12 <anish_> so its not just an editor?
15:38:19 <shrini`> but emacs and orgmode is for buliding knowledgebase, TODO list manager and can do more
15:38:56 <mohan43u> shrini`: >>all others are editors<< I bet you can say this in TLC without triggering firestorm 😁
15:39:29 <shrini`> you can take notes, make TODO items, chat in IRC, hear music, browse internet
15:39:32 <shrini`> with emacs
15:39:49 <anish_> that is cool i will defenitely learn emacs soon
15:40:05 <shrini`> mohan43u: on editing tasks, all editors are good. even nano is good
15:40:14 <shrini`> no question on that
15:40:35 <shrini`> but emacs provides more tools for life
15:40:59 <shrini`> I use ERC , an irc client within emacs now
15:41:16 <shrini`> using orgmode to manage my TODO list for 3 years
15:41:26 <shrini`> with all entries in one single text file
15:41:27 <anish_> so you use emacs to communicate
15:41:33 <shrini`> yes
15:41:37 <anish_> that is awesome
15:42:03 <shrini`> no other editor can give all these extra bells and whistles
15:42:34 <shrini`> i was trying various todo list managers for many years
15:42:43 <shrini`> some went on paid mode
15:42:59 <shrini`> some vanished as the company behind was closed
15:43:09 <shrini`> some were good, but cant export
15:43:18 <mohan43u> shrini`: what? you paid for a software? which one?
15:43:28 <shrini`> finally found the plaintext way of orgmode in emacs is best for me
15:43:50 <shrini`> my  previous companies for few tools
15:44:00 <anish_> it sounds like a whole another universe inside linux
15:44:29 <shrini`> tried taskwarrior  -  a cLI todo list manager
15:44:45 <shrini`> then for notes, tried joplin cli
15:45:19 <mohan43u> anish_: inside cli
15:45:36 <shrini`> for calender and periodic reminder, wanted to write something with python
15:45:55 <shrini`> then, found emacs provides all the thing I wanted with orgmode
15:46:09 <shrini`> along with these, it acts like text editor too
15:46:11 <shrini`> :-)
15:46:22 <shrini`> no other text editors provide these features
15:46:58 <anish_> i will try it
15:47:17 <anish_> thank you everyone it was awesome today
15:48:05 <anish_> i will join again tommorow
16:17:22 <shrini`> mohan43u: comparing emacs and other editors is like comparing a full kitchen with a knife
16:17:40 <shrini`> there are so many knifes, for different purpuse
16:17:56 <shrini`> but, a whole kitchen is more than a kinfe