02:20:53 <shrini> hariharan: how are you staying back in irc?
02:21:10 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: how are you staying back in irc?
02:21:28 <shrini> I hope mohan43u uses a remote server + tmux + weechat
02:54:12 <mohan43u> shrini: yes
10:50:34 <sethu_payilagam> Good morning Shrini. 
10:50:54 <sethu_payilagam> I am using Pidgin client and I do not close the window after our session. Not sure if it is because of that.
12:05:31 <shrini>  yes sethu_payilagam that the reason
12:05:46 <shrini> happy to know that you are staying back on IRC all the possible time
12:05:49 <shrini> please do the same
12:06:10 <shrini> join other channels like #ilugc #dgplug #ubuntu #emacs 
12:06:17 <shrini> and any other free software you like
12:06:38 <shrini> check for their irc channel in google or their website
12:06:58 <shrini> being in irc channals itself a good contribution
13:28:48 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. I will do that
13:32:37 <sugi> hi shrini
13:35:44 <sugi> I went out after my class and to attend this meeting came early.
13:37:11 <shrini-irccloud> Hello all
13:37:20 <shrini-irccloud> Good evening
13:37:45 <sugi> goog evening shrini
13:38:16 <sugi> sorry first of all, i did not do, feeling guilt
13:38:49 <sugi> but started. now itself 
13:39:20 <shrini-irccloud> Ah, now issues
13:39:28 <shrini-irccloud> No need to ask for sorries
13:39:51 <shrini-irccloud> Life will keep is super busy always
13:40:55 <sugi> yes true
13:41:18 <sugi> and addressbook can i make like few pages - for adding,editing, deleting     or can i make in one page like add and show on the list
13:41:46 <sethu_payilagam> Hi Shrini. Update for today: I was successful in installing the postgres in my linux machine. Created a new database, table to hold the store items. From Python I am able to connect to the DB and fetch the items in the form of dictionaries as you mentioned. 
13:42:24 <sugi> these should i make the design on html, css, javascript and localstorage right?
13:42:26 <sethu_payilagam> Pending Tasks: complete the functionality done using csv and include the PDF feature along with Bill value in words
13:45:47 <shrini> sugi: for addressbook, have mutiple pages
13:45:55 <shrini> for each CRUD operation
13:46:41 <shrini> yes sugi . use them all
13:46:56 <shrini> awesome sethu_payilagam 
13:47:00 <shrini> thanks for the efforts
13:48:53 <shrini> hope you are writing blog posts on these too sethu_payilagam 
13:49:02 <sugi> ok shrini
13:49:24 <shrini> sugi: your project may take few days. dont try to complete in single day
13:49:39 <shrini> do incremental development and blog the progress
13:50:20 <sugi> ok shrini. i am going to start now, and online also, if i have any doubt let me ask
13:51:06 <shrini> sure
13:51:21 <shrini> you can stay here as long as your computer is on
13:51:35 <shrini> no need of quitting after the status updates
13:51:36 <sugi> ok
13:51:42 <sethu_payilagam> Here is the post for initial development, Shrini. https://reachmesethu.wordpress.com/2024/10/25/task3-my-first-python-program-to-connect-and-retrieve-data-from-db/
13:52:00 <sethu_payilagam> I have made the changes you mentioned in the blog post as well.
13:54:42 <shrini> thanks
13:54:53 <shrini> happy to read all your writings here https://blogs.kaniyam.cloudns.nz/p/i/
13:55:27 <shrini> sugi: if you are spending more time on learning java, nowadays, you do the project in java also
13:55:39 <sugi> ok shrini
13:55:46 <shrini> so that it will be easy for you to learn one language with more handson
13:55:57 <shrini> even a command line application in java also fine
13:56:11 <shrini> I see from your blogs, that you are into java nowadays
13:56:40 <sugi> yes shrini - class homeworks
13:57:06 <sugi> once i finish this, let me try in java too
13:57:16 <shrini> oh ok
13:57:21 <shrini> its your call
13:57:42 <shrini> make sure you feel comfortable on doing projects
13:57:49 <shrini> dont add any pressure
13:57:54 <shrini> in head
13:58:06 <sugi> and shrini everytime when i join in this channel, i am changing my nick name as my full name appears
13:58:21 <shrini> the more relaxly we do coding, the more we can do better
13:58:33 <sugi> no shrini. thatswhy i cannot contribute everyday coding to kaniyam
13:59:07 <sugi> but i am trying my level best -  atleast the full connected time and some extra time trying to do for kaniyam
13:59:39 <shrini>  sure. thanks
13:59:40 <sugi> /the more relaxly we do coding, the more we can do better// True
13:59:57 <shrini>  /set irc.server_default.nicks nick1,nick2,nick3
14:00:02 <shrini>  /save
14:00:08 <sugi> oh ok
14:00:09 <shrini> try these commands in weechat
14:00:30 <shrini> amotbeli: hello
14:00:41 <sugi> let me quit and try it and will connect again
14:00:48 <shrini> please share about your project
14:01:27 <amotbeli> hi shrini
14:04:13 <amotbeli> i modified the code to scrape the download urls. except the program keeps getting timed out.
14:05:46 <shrini> hello amotbeli 
14:06:03 <shrini> we need all the metadata in json
14:06:26 <shrini> once the json is ready, we can parse the json to get only the urls, as a seperate code
14:06:34 <shrini> https://www.tamildigitallibrary.in/book-detail?id=jZY9lup2kZl6TuXGlZQdjZl3jhyy&tag=%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%87%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B1%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%B4%E0%AE%A9%E0%AE%BF+%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8A%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B4%E0%AF%8D+%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%B4%E0%AE%99%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%
14:06:38 <shrini> check this url
14:06:43 <shrini> this has no download link
14:06:51 <shrini> beacuse of this, the program fails
14:06:57 <shrini> can you add exception
14:07:20 <amotbeli> wow, sure, i'll take a look
14:08:04 <amotbeli> should have added the exception in the first place
14:08:35 <shrini> https://paste.mozilla.org/pZkekMCV
14:08:45 <shrini> getting this error
14:09:22 <shrini> for all, amotbeli is doing a webscrapping project, to collect the books metadata from https://www.tamildigitallibrary.in/
14:09:46 <shrini> for any webscrapping project, we need the below features
14:09:54 <shrini> 1. expect failures
14:10:18 <shrini> 2. add configurable time delay for accessing each page
14:11:38 <shrini> 3.  once a failure happened, on the next run, it should resume from where it stopped working.  store the completed urls in a seperate temporary text file, check that file, before processing any new url. 
14:11:58 <shrini> if a new url, is not on that file, then only we should access it and process the content
14:12:14 <shrini> by doing these, we can make the system robust
14:13:12 <shrini> always seperate the configuration, from the code
14:13:43 <shrini> for this project, we can have url, timeout, result_json file name in a config.ini file
14:14:00 <shrini> so that the user can change the values in config.ini on next runs
14:14:33 <shrini> if we let any new user to change anything, in the code, they will add extra enters, extra charecters
14:14:39 <shrini> and it will break the code
14:14:49 <shrini> we can not troubleshoot from remote
14:15:02 <shrini> https://www.lambdatest.com/blog/python-configparser-tutorial/
14:15:19 <shrini> check here on how to set and handle the config.ini
14:15:45 <shrini> 4. always use exception handling
14:16:09 <amotbeli> thank you shrini. will do.
14:18:56 <amotbeli> btw is it just me or coming up with variable names is hard for all beginners?
14:20:32 <amotbeli> i'm sure there are many guides already available. i just have to go and read them.
14:20:55 <sethu_payilagam> Hi Shrini. One doubt on the task that you gave yesterday. Is there a limitation at this point to use/import limited modules to learn the fundamentals properly before moving ahead  or Can I explore the program using pandas? 
14:27:27 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: you can explore anything
14:33:44 <shrini> you can use any available python library for the tasks
14:33:59 <shrini> no need to stick only with the standard libraries
14:34:07 <sethu_payilagam> ok Shrini. Thank you
14:34:10 <shrini> PDF export will be interesting to see
14:34:55 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. Equally excited to explore. :)
14:35:46 <shrini> thanks for joining the IRC sessionbs
14:35:51 <shrini> how do you feel?
14:35:58 <shrini> is it fine to continue here?
14:36:11 <shrini> or do you need any video chat like jitsi?
14:36:27 <shrini> do you feel slow or exhaused here?
14:36:31 <sugi> whom u r asking shrini - me
14:36:41 <shrini> quesion is for all
14:37:08 <sugi> this is different kind of experience, which i like
14:37:33 <sugi> no need of any video, i am very comfortable with this
14:37:43 <shrini> :-)
14:37:44 <sugi> its my opinion
14:37:46 <shrini> thanks
14:38:25 <sethu_payilagam> So far so good Shrini. Definitely missing the video or audio interactions(which we are so used to these days) :) but still interesting to keep up with our legacy mode.
14:38:55 <shrini> thanks
14:39:26 <shrini> the more we read/write the text, the more clarity we will get in our thinking
14:39:34 <shrini> keep reading and writing
14:39:45 <sugi> sure
14:39:52 <sethu_payilagam> Sure
14:39:58 <shrini> I am moving to cook. will be away for soem time
14:40:07 <shrini> s/soem/some/
14:40:16 <shrini> we can meet onb monday
14:40:17 <sugi> let me online till i shut down my system
14:40:21 <sethu_payilagam> :)
14:40:22 <shrini> sure
14:40:26 <sugi> thanks for the today session
14:40:29 <sethu_payilagam> wats special shrini?
14:40:29 <shrini> stay here
14:40:31 <sethu_payilagam> :)
14:42:30 <shrini-irccloud> Ragi semiya 
14:43:20 <sethu_payilagam> Enjoy! Happy Friday & weekend! Talk to you on Monday, Shrini!
14:44:10 <sugi> its nice to hear that you people are cooking
14:47:57 <shrini-irccloud> I am the default cook at my home for many years
14:48:18 <shrini-irccloud> Though nithya helps often
14:51:13 <sugi> :) happy for you people
14:57:23 <sugi> how staying online in IRC is benefecial to IRC?
15:02:49 <shrini-irccloud> You can read what others discuss
15:03:11 <shrini-irccloud> Not all channels are logged
15:03:32 <shrini-irccloud> Join #emacs #ubuntu #dgplug channels
15:03:46 <sugi> ok shrini
15:03:47 <shrini-irccloud> And other channel for any open source software
15:04:04 <shrini-irccloud> No need to sit and wait for any content in irc
15:04:17 <shrini-irccloud> Just do other tasks
15:04:23 <sugi> sure
15:04:29 <shrini-irccloud> When closing, just have a skim in irc
15:04:45 <sugi> ok  thanks shrini
15:05:06 <sugi> let me continue other work but will be online.  
16:32:54 <hariharan> I have just logged in irc through irccloud it make persist my session. I just completed two  days convo RN 
16:33:21 <shrini-irccloud> Oh
16:33:28 <shrini-irccloud> That's nice hariharan 
16:34:31 <hariharan> I have no other clients to connect irc channels pidgin works good and iam not comfortable  with it 
16:38:01 <hariharan-pidgin> Hi from pidgin
16:44:00 <shrini-irccloud> Ok
16:44:48 <shrini-irccloud> Try weechat
16:45:12 <shrini-irccloud> The more CLI tools you use, the more comfortable for the system and the user
16:45:21 <shrini-irccloud> GUI tools add load always
16:55:17 <hariharan-pidgin> i need to migrate my entire system to ssd there after i can think about installing other softwares 
16:55:32 <hariharan-pidgin> my hardrive is wearing 
16:59:00 <shrini> hmm
16:59:06 <shrini> yes, ssd is super fast
17:07:25 <hariharan-pidgin> i have opened a thread on tlc https://forums.tamillinuxcommunity.org/t/migration-plan-recommendation-linux-from-hdd-to-ssd-having-a-windows-currently-running/2625 on migrating hdd os to ssd how to move packages and other configurations on the fly is there any methods without copying the entire hardrive content 
17:08:51 <hariharan-pidgin> i think no one not interested on the migration 
17:28:13 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: >>no one not interested on the migration<< you already have a plan from AIs, what kind of interest you expect from TLC?
17:33:40 <hariharan-pidgin> I Won't believe AI 100% so asked opinion on the people who using the same environment as well as their previous experience on migration
17:38:01 <hariharan-pidgin> I don't have additional hard disk to backup my current data and do experiments and find the best for me 
17:40:19 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: I don't use ubuntu (or debian based system), In Arch, I just rsync every file from previous disk to current disk, change the systemd-boot configuration file to point to new root, change fstab to point to new root, and that it. reboot will straight to into my new device.
17:41:19 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: it should also work probably in debian based system, but never tested
17:46:28 <hariharan-pidgin> i have asked in kanchilug meeting to parameshwar file system canbe changed to xfs or zfs for ssd like he told 
17:48:39 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: you can rsync on any filesystem, it doesn't matter which filesystem you use for your ssd
17:50:06 <hariharan-pidgin> i have not decided yet which one is to use 
17:57:55 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: rsync is basically like copy file from one place to another place. The underlying filesystem on source device and destination device is not a big issue.
17:58:22 <hariharan-pidgin> mohan43u i have used rclone 
17:58:39 <hariharan-pidgin> rsync is alias for rsync 
17:58:42 <hariharan-pidgin> ?
17:58:44 <shrini-irccloud> Rsync is good for files copy
17:58:50 <hariharan-pidgin> okay 
17:58:57 <shrini-irccloud> rsync -arv source destination
17:59:06 <shrini-irccloud> Will copy all the things
18:01:57 <hariharan-pidgin> how to put different partitions /dev/sda is my older linux installation /dev/sdb is my new installation from your message it can be done rsync -arv /dev/sda /dev/sdb like can do syncing the files 
18:02:26 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: no, you need to mount the partitions first
18:03:34 <hariharan-pidgin> new partition is mounted by default due to it has os now i need to mount the old partition 
18:04:27 <hariharan-pidgin> is there any order need to be kept for configurations then binary or binary then configuration 
18:05:41 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: here are the steps I can think of,
18:05:47 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: buy new nvme disk
18:06:08 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: plug it into your current system which is running in your old disk
18:06:49 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: format the new disk with your preferred filesystem
18:07:41 <hariharan-pidgin> my system board is sata complaint ssd is not possible os installation is need to be done with USB Stick 
18:08:08 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: you need a new OS on the new disk?
18:08:50 <hariharan-pidgin> new os with current settings and software (Hard drive to SSD is the change 
18:09:48 <mohan43u> hariharan-pidgin: in that case, rsync method which I said will not be useful to you. I thought you just want to migrate your current system to new disk
18:09:49 <shrini-irccloud> If board don't support ssd, then how will you use it for os?
18:10:07 <hariharan-pidgin> my board is supports sata ssd 
18:10:21 <hariharan-pidgin> which is working good and has windows 10 in it 
18:11:39 <shrini-irccloud> Ok
18:11:39 <shrini-irccloud> Just sync old /home to new /home
18:13:19 <hariharan-pidgin> a Good News : open-tamil-php bare minimum is successfully published on packagist 
18:15:18 <hariharan-pidgin> use composer require hariharan/open-tamil
18:15:26 <shrini-irccloud> Super
18:16:55 <hariharan-pidgin> utf8.py file only completed 80%
18:17:22 <hariharan-pidgin> documenting one function one bugfix a day 
18:21:38 <hariharan-pidgin> what abt /etc , /bin /local and other folders 
18:23:20 <hariharan-pidgin> bye all 
18:39:15 <shrini-irccloud> hariharan: you should install fresh Ubuntu on the new ssd disk
18:39:31 <shrini-irccloud> Then rsync all home folder files to it
18:39:51 <shrini-irccloud> You can install the packakes separately
18:39:59 <shrini-irccloud> Go for latest os version
18:41:23 <hariharan> Okay shrini-irccloud I'll  try and let you know 
18:41:53 <shrini-irccloud> Ok
18:41:56 <shrini-irccloud> GN