13:43:26 <shrini> hello sugi
13:44:28 <sugi> hi shrinihi
13:45:55 <sugi> if any typo error after sent the message, then we can't correct or edit right, as its relay. am i right?
13:47:04 <shrini> correct
13:47:18 <shrini> we can not fix the typo, can not edit the previous text
13:47:59 <shrini> just tipe correctly
13:48:08 <shrini> s/tipe/type
13:48:27 <sugi> got it
13:49:34 <amotbeli> scary to type without spellcheck. is this how life was back in the day?
13:50:11 <shrini> :-)
13:50:13 <shrini> yes
13:50:27 <shrini> but, it will come by practise
13:50:43 <shrini> and its ok to have some typos/errors in chat
13:50:53 <shrini> as it is very casual 
13:51:11 <shrini> no need to worry much on that
13:51:32 <amotbeli> yeah, got it. 
13:52:36 <sugi> i installed nano, but did not start practice
13:52:47 <shrini> ok
13:52:53 <sugi> and ed i searched in firefox, cannot find it
13:53:10 <shrini> start with nano. thats fine for now
13:53:14 <amotbeli> sugi: i am practicing nano
13:53:29 <shrini> create a file called diary.txt
13:53:40 <shrini> write your daily journal there
13:53:52 <shrini> another file as TODO.txt
13:54:00 <shrini> note down all your todo list there
13:54:22 <sugi> ok
13:54:24 <shrini> another as notes.txt, to capture all learning notes
13:54:30 <sugi> here new buffer means new file
13:54:43 <sugi> am i right?
13:54:58 <shrini> by where do you see the word buffer?
13:55:01 <shrini> in nano?
13:55:11 <shrini> I think only emacs has buffer
13:55:48 <shrini> create those 3 files
13:55:52 <shrini> update them daily
13:56:06 <shrini> create a new private repo in gitlab 
13:56:15 <shrini> cmommit and push to repo daily
13:56:32 <sugi> in top with white highlighter, nano 7.2 on left side and in center New Buffer
13:56:35 <shrini> in some 6-12 months, these 3 files will be your asset
13:57:02 <sugi> ok shrini, let me do
13:57:22 <shrini> yes. there new file = new buffer
13:57:37 <shrini> if you open existing file, it will show the file name there
13:57:54 <sugi> ok
13:58:37 <amotbeli> will it open only text files? can we open markdown files too?
13:58:57 <shrini> makrdown is text file only
13:59:56 <shrini> https://www.markdownguide.org
14:00:05 <shrini> learn markdown 
14:00:24 <shrini> it will help to handle the plaintext files with little formatting
14:00:37 <shrini> we can export markdown to html or pdf using pandoc
14:01:00 <shrini> hello GowriR
14:01:08 <shrini> share your updates
14:01:16 <GowriR> Hi Shrini
14:01:35 <amotbeli> okay, got it
14:01:48 <GowriR> i had read those txt logs which you shared earlier
14:05:23 <GowriR> i got to know about mailing list guideline, IRC in general how it works and project mentoring
14:07:49 <shrini> nic
14:07:50 <shrini> e
14:08:05 <shrini> did you take notes while learning these?
14:08:13 <shrini> did you write blog with those notes?
14:08:27 <shrini> we need daily blogs with your learning notes
14:09:03 <shrini> are you working on any development project idea?
14:09:15 <shrini> sugi: what is your next project after the calculator/
14:09:15 <shrini> ?
14:09:44 <sugi> u said address book
14:09:54 <shrini> yes
14:09:59 <shrini> what is the plan for that?
14:09:59 <GowriR> yes i took notes , but i didn't post in blog, 
14:10:16 <shrini> GowriR: ok. but publish the blogs daily
14:10:27 <shrini> it should become a habit
14:10:40 <sugi> sure shrini
14:10:40 <GowriR> sure i'll update my daily learnings in blog
14:10:51 <shrini> sugi: where will you store the addressbook data ?
14:11:40 <sugi> sorry i just thought like html css only... like calculator. 
14:12:14 <sugi> so could u please explain more about it
14:12:43 <sugi> like in what way i should do, then i could explain what i can.
14:14:02 <shrini> there is a thing called LocalStorage
14:14:21 <shrini> recent browsers have SQLite database inbuit
14:14:30 <shrini> we can use that to store any data using JS
14:14:31 <shrini> https://blog.logrocket.com/localstorage-javascript-complete-guide/
14:14:37 <shrini> explore this 
14:14:38 <sugi> ok
14:15:06 <sugi> so in java i could do this address book?
14:15:31 <shrini> if you know java, start with calculator
14:15:32 <sugi> with sqllite
14:15:35 <shrini> and then addressbook
14:15:45 <shrini> do both the projects in both the languages
14:16:05 <shrini> but one at a time
14:16:47 <shrini> for now, do the addressbook with javascript itself
14:16:54 <sugi> do u mean java and javascript (with localstorage for db)?
14:17:05 <shrini> using LocalStorage as a db
14:17:24 <shrini> JS => localstorage db
14:17:36 <shrini> java => sqlite 
14:17:58 <shrini> GowriR: what is your project status?
14:18:03 <shrini> what are you working on?
14:18:49 <GowriR> shrini i have completed calculator 
14:18:59 <mohan43u> java and javascript are not so similar (they only have relashionship in their names, thats all). learning in-depth javascript is way different than java. I suggest to keep a open mind while learning javascript if you are coming from java background
14:19:00 <GowriR> i didn't start addressbook
14:19:34 <sugi> ok 
14:22:37 <sugi> so shrini from tomorrow let me try for addressbook in javascript with localstorage db.  First let me collect the info reg it.
14:23:29 <sugi> if any difficulties let me ask, please guide me
14:24:00 <shrini> இறைஊ
14:24:02 <shrini> sure
14:24:37 <shrini> GowriR: share the repo link for calculator
14:24:44 <shrini> and the blog link about that
14:24:53 <sethu_payilagam> Good morning Shrini
14:25:05 <sethu_payilagam> Sorry I was caught up with my office meetings
14:25:30 <sethu_payilagam> I have completed the simple calculator app and posted the same in my blog
14:25:55 <sethu_payilagam> Please let me know the next steps
14:26:02 <sugi> thanks shrini. so shall i leave?
14:26:15 <shrini> sugi: sure
14:26:23 <sethu_payilagam> https://reachmesethu.wordpress.com/2024/10/21/my-python-learning/
14:26:26 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: good. share the repo link and blog link here
14:26:28 <shrini> good
14:26:37 <GowriR> i haven't posted it shrini, i'll share tomorrow
14:27:03 <sethu_payilagam> what is the repo link? Shrini
14:27:39 <shrini> ok GowriR
14:27:41 <sethu_payilagam> i tried to post the code as it is in the blog but the alignments are changing. So kept the screenshots for now
14:28:38 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: publish the code in gist.github.com 
14:28:47 <shrini> and embed the code link in your blog
14:29:00 <shrini> so that it will show without any formating issue
14:29:02 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. I will do that now and update here
14:29:17 <shrini> gist is for small codes
14:29:58 <GowriR> shrini shall i leave now? i'll come with my update tomorrow
14:29:59 <shrini> if your project goes into bigger or multiple files, create repository and push to it
14:30:03 <shrini> learn git
14:30:05 <shrini> sure GowriR
14:30:08 <shrini> thanks for joining
14:30:14 <shrini> keep writing
14:30:45 <GowriR> sure shrini, Thank you for your time
14:32:35 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: now create a project - billing application for a grocery store
14:32:50 <shrini> define the items and prices as a dictionary
14:33:15 <shrini> get item number and quantity as input
14:33:27 <sethu_payilagam> Sorry Shrini. This is the first time using the repo. I have created login and got into to the github. what should i do next?
14:33:32 <shrini> in w while loop, till the itemnumber = 0
14:33:56 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: dont worry about the repository for now
14:34:20 <shrini> just use gist.github.com to store code snippets and embed in blog
14:34:39 <shrini> read above for the project idea of billing application
14:35:13 <shrini> learn about git later
14:36:14 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. I will do it. Tomorrow I have to go to office. I will join again on Thursday. I hope I will complete the next assignment by then
14:38:49 <shrini> thats fine
14:38:54 <shrini> take your time
14:39:40 <shrini> https://python.swaroopch.com/
14:39:50 <shrini> read this quick and easy book to learn python
14:40:17 <sethu_payilagam> Sure Shrini. Thank you, again!
14:40:17 <shrini> give some  time daily for reading this and share the reading progress here
14:40:29 <sethu_payilagam> For sure
14:47:16 <shrini> sethu_payilagam: what topics have been covered the python classes so far?
14:47:29 <shrini> is it online or offline class?
14:49:37 <sethu_payilagam> online Shrini
14:50:02 <sethu_payilagam> We have covered all the basics and started with oops concepts
14:51:10 <shrini> file writing and reading?
14:51:17 <shrini> was it completed?
14:51:55 <sethu_payilagam> not yet Shrini. But as part of my office work I did explored that part
14:52:21 <sethu_payilagam> blog post updated with the embedded code. Thanks again Shrini
14:52:22 <shrini> ok
14:52:25 <shrini> good then
14:52:46 <shrini> for now on the billing application, define the prices as a dictionary
14:52:58 <shrini> later, read the price data from a CSV file
14:53:12 <sethu_payilagam> Sure. I will try that.
15:18:10 <amotbeli> it is nice to read about what happens behind the scene
15:19:02 <amotbeli> and about a lot more hacks than i am used to
15:30:35 <shrini> :-)
15:30:55 <shrini> amotbeli: what IRC client do you use ?
15:31:10 <shrini> use weechat - CLI client
15:31:30 <shrini> or any desktop client like Quassel
15:31:40 <amotbeli> i am using weechat
15:31:48 <shrini> super then
15:32:15 <shrini> we feel like science fiction movie hackers, to chat in terminal
15:32:47 <amotbeli> haha yes
15:35:21 <amotbeli> it is also very zen. with no bells and whistles like pics, emojis, reaction gifs etc.
15:36:03 <shrini> true
15:36:46 <shrini> the plaintext is best for eyes and mind
15:37:39 <mohan43u> amotbeli: what? who said no emoji in terminal? ☠ 😁
15:38:15 <shrini> do see that emoji amotbeli?
15:38:20 <amotbeli> mohan43u: oh no!
15:38:24 <shrini> emoji are fine
15:38:27 <mohan43u> amotbeli: emojis are valid unicode characters now
15:38:29 <shrini> but others?
15:38:41 <amotbeli> shrini: i do see the emojis
15:38:50 <shrini> the other social media are filled with images, GIFs, videos
15:39:03 <shrini> nowadays we see only videos everywhere
15:39:23 <amotbeli> mohan43u: good to know
15:39:30 <shrini> which is not easy to get the content
15:41:11 <amotbeli> shrini: i am beginning to see the appeal of plaintext
15:41:16 <shrini> https://plaintextproject.online/articles.html
15:41:32 <shrini> this site has good articles on text based tools
15:42:12 <shrini> the more text we read/write, the more clarity of thoughts we can get
15:42:43 <amotbeli> will check out the site
15:43:00 <shrini> I am seeing many students and youth struggle to read any article
15:43:08 <shrini> or ask any question forum
15:43:21 <shrini> they are fine to ask over a zoom or jitsi meet
15:43:41 <shrini> but, if we ask them to write on our TLC forum, no one asks
15:43:57 <shrini> they have a huge fear on text
15:44:16 <shrini> to overcome that fear, I hope these daily IRC discussions will help
15:44:24 <shrini> let us see on how it goes
15:44:28 <amotbeli> yeah true
15:46:35 <amotbeli> this reminds me of a satirical article i read on the onion
15:47:11 <shrini> share link
15:47:40 <mohan43u> shrini: somebody was asking help about linux installation in our TLC telegram in tanglish, but he/someone-from-admin-team deleted it after few minutes. poor guy.
15:47:46 <amotbeli> https://theonion.com/nation-shudders-at-large-block-of-uninterrupted-text-1819571366/
15:48:19 <shrini> deleting that tangalish is fine
15:48:39 <mohan43u> shrini: I was about to reply to him asking him to put a post in TLC forum
15:48:42 <shrini> we can not read or answer any question which is not tamil or english
15:49:31 <mohan43u> shrini: thats a hard take, you are too stubbon for today's generation :)
15:50:50 <shrini> we give two language support. is that not enoguh ?
15:51:15 <shrini> I have few 2k kids joined our team, who are sending email in tanglish
15:51:23 <shrini> even the jira tickets have tanglish
15:51:24 <mohan43u> shrini: your choice of language is too tough to learn
15:51:30 <mohan43u> shrini: god dammit :)
15:51:46 <shrini> what they practise daily, is reflected in job
15:52:24 <shrini> after deleting those jira comments only, I decided to be strict on the two language policy
15:53:45 <mohan43u> shrini: well, yeah, I really fathome the whatsapp groups here.. most of the messages are mixed hinglish, fucking assholes start with english and suddenly yaar.. comes then switches to hinglish
15:54:26 <mohan43u> shrini: they don't even care that there are people in the group who don't know hinglish
15:56:11 <shrini> if someone asks any question in tanglish, தென் ஐ ரிப்ளை லைக் திஸ்.
15:56:22 <mohan43u> shrini: :)
15:56:22 <shrini> then, they switch to english or தமிழ்
15:56:46 <shrini> follow the same thing on WA groups too and enjoy the fun
15:57:29 <mohan43u> shrini: I should start writing in தமிழ் in those groups once I see hinglish
15:58:02 <shrini> thats is the best way to handle them